Why the Model 58 instead of the 57?

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All the threads lately about the model 58 has me itching for one. The look of an early 58 with a 4" barrel and diamond magnas really does it for me. (I know, weird) I really like the clean lines without the target sights. But the rear target sights of the 57 seem to make more sense to me so it can be dialed in to hit where you want it to. I know some folks like the 57 due to the target sights but what draws you to a 58 over a 57? Inquiring minds want to know. (Me)!
I recently acquired a pre 29 so I have the 44 mag covered but since I reload I'm thinking a 41 magnum might be nice.
 
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Hi Jeff
I remember when the .41 Magnum was first introduced. I was a teenager at the time. My older brother and I really wanted one and we often talked about it late into the night, looking at pictures and reading everything about it we could get our hands on. We already had a K-22 and a Highway Patrolman, but could not come up with the money to buy another S&W revolver, let alone a brand new one. So we settled for talking about it.
Now, here we are, many years later, and until recently neither of us had ever managed to add one to our stables. But a few weeks back, a friend of mine who owns a gun shop here in town called me on the phone and told me a Model 57 had walked in the door and wanted to know if I was interested. I said I would be right over. Needless to say, I took a handful of Franklins with me and, of course, came home with the gun. Later that day I called my brother to tell him I'd finally bought a .41 Magnum. He was thrilled and wants me to bring it down the next time I visit him (he lives in another state). I'm still recovering from recent surgery so I have not fired it yet, but I hope to be able to do so soon!
Here is a picture. The gun in question is in the upper right hand corner.
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I know this post hasn't addressed your question - so here is my response. With the exception of postwar M&P revolvers, I'm much more inclined to accumulate target frame revolvers than their fixed sight brothers. By far most of my Smiths are so equipped. For me, therefore, the draw to a .41 Magnum has always been to the Model 57. Unless I stumble on a "can't pass it up" type deal, I will probably never own a Model 58. That is just the way I'm inclined.
 
The M57 is more desirable with the adjustable sights and the shroud, but I admit the M58 is cool. I think one factor may be the M57 had a lifespan of about 40 years. There were quite a few made. The M58 was discontinued in the '70s. It only was produced for about 13 years or so, so they are not as common.
I have a 4" M57 no dash I bought for a bit over $200 back in the late '90s. It is one of my favorite N-Frames.
Jim
 
The Model 58 was introduced in 1964 as the ".41 Magnum Military and Police" and was intended for the law enforcement market as a no-frills duty weapon with greater power than the .357 Magnum. As such it had fixed sights and no ejector rod shroud.
 
The advantage of fixed sights in a fighting handgun is there is no chance of the sights moving and much less so no little sharp corners on the sights to bend or hang on leather, or worst sight blade that could go missing. It is the old "KISS" system...keep it stupid simple which is good when it comes to combat handguns.

Luckly...knock on wood...I've not had a fixed sight Smith & Wesson that didn't shoot point of aim with normal factory loads.
 
I think the 57 is a tremendously beautiful form.

The 58 is cool in its own right, but it looks like parts are missing off of it.

People love them though. They have a different vibe/coolness factor to them, that transfer over to people still.

Even money, or a little more, I'd take a 4" 57 over the 58.

The thing about the 58 that I am not wild about, are the Magnas. A full on Magnum gun should have Targets or Combats.
 
For a carry gun and one which one would not shoot generally over 50 yards the 58 is nice as the fixed sights won't get snagged on the draw and are usually spot on with the original 210 grain bullet weight.

I like both but if limited to one it would be a 4" 57 just because I shoot bullets of various weights and to distances a lot further than 100 yards...

Bob
 
What draws me to the model 10 is part of what draws me to the model 58.
It is a basic no frills fighting gun that can be used in inclement weather to shoot your opponent and then beat to death any survivors. It is a fang bearing wolf in a world of golden retrievers.
It's prettiness comes in it's utilitarian form and function. It's a farmer's daughter in a world full of super models that can't do anything besides look pretty while the farmer's daughter works beside you. Super models don't turn my head.

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What draws me to the model 10 is part of what draws me to the model 58.
It is a basic no frills fighting gun that can be used in inclement weather to shoot your opponent and then beat to death any survivors. It is a fang bearing wolf in a world of golden retrievers.
It's prettiness comes in it's utilitarian form and function. It's a farmer's daughter in a world full of super models that can't do anything besides look pretty while the farmer's daughter works beside you. Super models don't turn my head.

Well, I get what you are saying, but in support of a slightly opposing perspective, consider that thousands of law enforcement officers over many years carried target sight revolvers. In addition, we Air Force types carried target sight Model 15s during the Vietnam war. The .38 Combat Masterpiece and the Combat Magnum are target sight guns and both were originally produced at the request of LE. So LE guns do not necessarily have to have fixed sights to be used effectively as on-duty sidearms.

The analogy to "useless" super models just doesn't hold up, in my opinion.
 
To each their own.
I've lost sights on duty guns so I don't have much use for them on a fighting handgun. One of my friends demands them on his guns.
It takes all kinds to make the world turn I guess.

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All the threads lately about the model 58 has me itching for one. The look of an early 58 with a 4" barrel and diamond magnas really does it for me. (I know, weird) I really like the clean lines without the target sights.....

I was practicing taking photos earlier today and it just so happens that the subject matter was the model 58 you are referring to. Sorry for the not-so-good cell phone photo quality.
John

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a kinda surprising fact is that a 58 will sell for more than a 57, all things equal. People that have 'em, keep 'em.

I have had a blued 57 and a nickel 57, both 4" and both beautiful guns. Never shot either one, and both are gone. the 58's get carried and get shot more than any of my other guns (except maybe my K22).


Charlie
 
A lot of law enforcement agencies are cheap when it comes to firearms. The M58 was quite a bit cheaper than a M57 when they first came out. I bought my first M57 for $260.00 in the presentation case back in the mid 70ties. It was a six inch blued. Also had numerous others in 4 and six inch, blue and nickel. They sold for about 1/2 of what the M29s were selling for.

Never had a M58 but liked the revolver. Should have picked one up when they were cheap. But if you already have 3 or 4 M57s I guess you dont really need a M58.

I would like to see S&W bring back the fixed sight N frame with a dovetailed front sight in the Magnums and 45 Colt. I would get a few.
 
An interesting and timely thread as I found a used 57 6" w/ diamond grips and have been trying to convince myself that it would be a good fit between my 28 and 629. Even after all the comments I'm still not sure.
 
You have not stated a purpose on the Model 58, just that you liked the looks of it. If that is the reason, then go after it. You will love it. The 57 is for hunting and that is why you have the adjustable sights AND different barrel lengths. The 58 is for protection and that is why it has fixed sights, and in only one barrel length, 4 inches. Of the two, the 58 is on my hip. I have always loved the looks and it is a true fighting revolver. Has filled its role very well.
You already have the 44 magnum so you have that covered, (hunting), and you reload so you will have no problem with 41 magnum. As has already been said, the 58 were made for only so many years and a lot less of them than the 57. Another reason to get the 58. :)
 
A model 58 was my first carry gun. It started with a "4" and, it was cheap. I think I gave $175 for it. (1979 ish) All they had was nickel. So, I got that. Carried it in a Don Hume border patrol thumbsnap. Still have it. And, would put it right back on and carry it today.

With full house loads, that gun is miserable.
 
An interesting and timely thread as I found a used 57 6" w/ diamond grips and have been trying to convince myself that it would be a good fit between my 28 and 629. Even after all the comments I'm still not sure.

...if it is a 6" with Diamond grips...as in possibly Cokes...go for it. Even the later 1960s gun with non-Coke Diamond grips were far better finished than most everything else...and anything made today.

Bob
 
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