Why this ammo shortage has now made me mad.

[gdnagle]

I don't have that much I will buy it when I see it, no .22 lately but every time I go to WM I will pick up a box of something. Does it bother me, it could but it's fishing time now. Maybe a hobby change for awhile. I won't go out of my way to get any so no standing in lines and no paying gouging prices.

If there ever was a apocalypse this shows what you should stockpile.

 

[ladyT]

Re: OP. There is no need to forgive. You've offended no one. When it comes to trying to find shootable quantities of .22 LR ammo, you are not alone.

Flippers of .22 LR ammo the bain of our sport. They are akin to folks who jack up the price of plywood, gas, milk, etc. in a hurricane. Legal? Oh yes, plenty legal. Right? No. But right is of no concern to those whose only concern is the almighty dollar. Such people will excuse anything in the name of money. Limits on the number of boxes/rounds one may purchase daily are of course one way to deal with them. A better way would be to simply tell everyone to sign a register... and then only allow them to buy once a week. No need for a law. The retailer could do this w/ nothing more than a simple policy change. It would certainly crimp the action for the flippers. If some opine that such limits are not fair, so what? Fair hasn't got anything to do with it. And since it would allow more people to buy ammo and at the same time sidetrack the flippers, it would be better for the shooting sports. Cool.

You can complain all you want about "flippers" but you should understand two things.

1. Its their property and they can do with it a they please and you opnion does not matter.

2. These " flippers" by reselling make 22lr availble to those who are not lucky enough to have a large retal chain nearby to purchase ammo from. Heck there my not be an ammo source wifhin 50 miles. These "flippers" by putting it up for resell on the internet ensures that more people have access to a product whose supply is constrained. Granted there is a cost but the individual at least has the chance to acquire some ammo.

 

[brucev]

Did you really just suggest an ammo registry? Do you not see the irony in your statement about fair has nothing to do with it, yet you suggest limits and a registry for what purpose... to make it fair?



Registry? To make it fair? Yes. That is precisely what I suggest. It would be the decision of the retailer, just as now it is the decision of the retailer to restrict or not restrict the amount a customer can purchase. Why should retailers not act in policy and system to address the needs of a broader base of customers? If that crimps the style of the flippers, that's cool.

Why would this be a problem? If posts are to be taken at face value, there are currently individuals who delight in the current system as it apparently well serves their own particular interests. They get to a store, strip the shelves bare and go merrily along their way. Of course there are many many people who have to go to work and cannot stand around all hours waiting for a store to stock shelves. Others do not live anywhere near a retail establishment that occasionally has .22 LR ammunition in stock. And surprising as it may seem to some, not everyone is conversant with computers, not everyone understands how to use the various tools that some take for granted. For many at this site, the availability thread on the 15-22 forum has been extremely helpful. I am among those who have been benefited Once the links to Cabales died, finding ammo has again become very much hit or miss.

Opinions as to why someone has been unable to find ammo, they are like noses. Everyone has one. You are welcome to your own. As regards flippers... they are as described earlier, a pox to this sport.

 

[smokindog]

There are just so many things wrong with this post that others have well addressed.

Adding to some of them

• BUYERS set the price. The ill-prepared and WHINERS are the "bain"
• Ammo is NOT a necessity, your suggestion of withholding necessities (food et al in a hurricane) is WRONG and illegal
• A store can not have such a registry. See civil rights
• Please don't run for public office, it would be difficult to pick you out from our current set of politicos

Re: OP. There is no need to forgive. You've offended no one. When it comes to trying to find shootable quantities of .22 LR ammo, you are not alone.

Flippers of .22 LR ammo the bain of our sport. They are akin to folks who jack up the price of plywood, gas, milk, etc. in a hurricane. Legal? Oh yes, plenty legal. Right? No. But right is of no concern to those whose only concern is the almighty dollar. Such people will excuse anything in the name of money. Limits on the number of boxes/rounds one may purchase daily are of course one way to deal with them. A better way would be to simply tell everyone to sign a register... and then only allow them to buy once a week. No need for a law. The retailer could do this w/ nothing more than a simple policy change. It would certainly crimp the action for the flippers. If some opine that such limits are not fair, so what? Fair hasn't got anything to do with it. And since it would allow more people to buy ammo and at the same time sidetrack the flippers, it would be better for the shooting sports. Cool.

 

[Duckford]

STOP CRYING ABOUT IT AND JUST ORDER IT...IT'S ONLY MONEY...I KNOW PEOPLE GET MAD ABOUT IT BUT WE ALL ARE EQUAL AND SEARCHING FOR THE SAME AMMO...FIRST COME FIRST SERVE...UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S HOW IT IS RIGHT NOW...I REMEMBER PAYING $700 FOR A CASE OF 5.56 LAST YEAR CAUSE IT WAS SO HARD TO FIND...NOW IT'S $370 FOR THE SAME EXACT CASE...IT'S JUST LIKE GAS & OIL ... SUPPLY AND DEMAND

GOOD NEWS EVERYONE

 

[kozmic]

I spent many frigid winter Saturday mornings standing in line outside of Gander Mtn. 45 minutes before they open to get some 22lrs. I spent a lot of time on line finding it. I made the rounds to LGS and Walmart, etc.

I am not ashamed nor am I embarrassed to say that I have amassed a fair-sized pile and never spent north of 7 (usually 5-6) cents per round. I froze my *** off and drove around town and spent hours on line to get to this point.

With effort, you don't have to do without nor do you have to spend a ton of money. I feel like at this point if you can't find it or don't have it, you ain't tryin' very hard. Sorry, but that pretty much a fact.

 

[ladyT]

Did you really just suggest an ammo registry? Do you not see the irony in your statement about fair has nothing to do with it, yet you suggest limits and a registry for what purpose... to make it fair?



Registry? To make it fair? Yes. That is precisely what I suggest. It would be the decision of the retailer, just as now it is the decision of the retailer to restrict or not restrict the amount a customer can purchase. Why should retailers not act in policy and system to address the needs of a broader base of customers? If that crimps the style of the flippers, that's cool.

Why would this be a problem? If posts are to be taken at face value, there are currently individuals who delight in the current system as it apparently well serves their own particular interests. They get to a store, strip the shelves bare and go merrily along their way. Of course there are many many people who have to go to work and cannot stand around all hours waiting for a store to stock shelves. Others do not live anywhere near a retail establishment that occasionally has .22 LR ammunition in stock. And surprising as it may seem to some, not everyone is conversant with computers, not everyone understands how to use the various tools that some take for granted. For many at this site, the availability thread on the 15-22 forum has been extremely helpful. I am among those who have been benefited Once the links to Cabales died, finding ammo has again become very much hit or miss.

Opinions as to why someone has been unable to find ammo, they are like noses. Everyone has one. You are welcome to your own. As regards flippers... they are as described earlier, a pox to this sport.

Just how much ammo do you think is coming in to stores to be sold.

 

[smokindog]

And to all this I say, so what? Ammo is out there, go find it or don't expect to shoot it.

If you don't have a skill, acquire it. Don't demand others support you.

If you don't have access, get it or change hobbies. Don't demand others support you.

If you can't afford it, change your situation. Don't expect others to support you.

I'll bet I and most others work as many hours as you every week and I'd give you odds I work more. It's really insulting for you to suggest otherwise.

We've been able to get ammunition. I'm sorry it's not a priority for you. Don't expect others to support you.

Good luck with your "sharing theory". Can't mention what it smells like because of the ban on politics!

Did you order the stuff from Cabelas that's been available? Was it was too much of an inconvenience or was it unfair because you might have to have to pay to have it shipped.

LOOKS LIKE HIS MESSAGE GOT DELETED!!!!

 

[shouldazagged]

One of the reasons this has been my only gun forum for over a year is that usually I can expect to find people dealing with each other in a positive, civil manner.

This kind of thread seems to be an exception.

It's easy to level charges of whining and lack of forethought and preparedness when you are already sitting on a pile of ammo, you have the money to pay for more, and you're healthy enough to shop all over hell and stand in line to get it.

If you're in that blessed situation, more power to you. I'm not, due to old age, poor health, and extremely limited income. I haven't been able to hunt or shoot as a hobby for years, but I very much want to be able to defend myself if necessary, and practice with my defensive guns.

When I see people told to stop whining and change hobbies, or just shut up and spend the money and effort to buy ammo, I feel rebuked myself even if it's not directed at me personally.

If someone hasn't walked in another person's shoes, it would be nice not to jump on him and label him a careless, heedless whiner.

I think I'd better avoid ammo-shortage threads in future. This post may get me labeled a malcontent piss-and-moan artist, and I wouldn't like that.

 

[Culina]

I read the writing on the wall, I have not purchased any ammo or reloading components since October 2012.

When it becomes readily available again, I will be stocking up on even more than I did pre-elections.

 

[cyphertext]

One of the reasons this has been my only gun forum for over a year is that usually I can expect to find people dealing with each other in a positive, civil manner.

This kind of thread seems to be an exception.

It's easy to level charges of whining and lack of forethought and preparedness when you are already sitting on a pile of ammo, you have the money to pay for more, and you're healthy enough to shop all over hell and stand in line to get it.

If you're in that blessed situation, more power to you. I'm not, due to old age, poor health, and extremely limited income. I haven't been able to hunt or shoot as a hobby for years, but I very much want to be able to defend myself if necessary, and practice with my defensive guns.

When I see people told to stop whining and change hobbies, or just shut up and spend the money and effort to buy ammo, I feel rebuked myself even if it's not directed at me personally.

If someone hasn't walked in another person's shoes, it would be nice not to jump on him and label him a careless, heedless whiner.

I think I'd better avoid ammo-shortage threads in future. This post may get me labeled a malcontent piss-and-moan artist, and I wouldn't like that.

I understand what you are saying, but many of us have offered to help others learn how to use online tools to see when stock is available, and have pointed them to the ammo thread, etc... on this and / or other boards.

Typically when I do these things, I get a response of why they can't get to the store in the AM, or they don't want to pay extra for shipping and they can't use ship to store, or they can't because of blah blah blah...excuse after excuse.

After trying to help so many just to hear that they can't, one becomes jaded. It becomes the same thing I tell my teenage son. Can't never could. Either choose to do something about it, or decide to do without. Constant complaining and then not following advice when someone is trying to help you doesn't solve anything.

 

[cyphertext]

Did you really just suggest an ammo registry? Do you not see the irony in your statement about fair has nothing to do with it, yet you suggest limits and a registry for what purpose... to make it fair?



Registry? To make it fair? Yes. That is precisely what I suggest. It would be the decision of the retailer, just as now it is the decision of the retailer to restrict or not restrict the amount a customer can purchase. Why should retailers not act in policy and system to address the needs of a broader base of customers? If that crimps the style of the flippers, that's cool.

Why would this be a problem? If posts are to be taken at face value, there are currently individuals who delight in the current system as it apparently well serves their own particular interests. They get to a store, strip the shelves bare and go merrily along their way. Of course there are many many people who have to go to work and cannot stand around all hours waiting for a store to stock shelves. Others do not live anywhere near a retail establishment that occasionally has .22 LR ammunition in stock. And surprising as it may seem to some, not everyone is conversant with computers, not everyone understands how to use the various tools that some take for granted. For many at this site, the availability thread on the 15-22 forum has been extremely helpful. I am among those who have been benefited Once the links to Cabales died, finding ammo has again become very much hit or miss.

Opinions as to why someone has been unable to find ammo, they are like noses. Everyone has one. You are welcome to your own. As regards flippers... they are as described earlier, a pox to this sport.

I think you are the first gun owner I have ever heard say that they would support some type of registry... It isn't any of Walmart's business how much ammo I buy. They are there to sell, I am there to buy, that is all that they need to know. If they want to limit amounts, that is within their right, but they don't need to keep a record of how much I purchased. (although they already do since I use a debit card, but still)

If some opine that such limits are not fair, so what? Fair hasn't got anything to do with it.

You are saying that the flippers get all the ammo... so that's not fair. So you think we should have limits and registries to make it fair... yet fair has nothing to do with it.

 

[Friggs]

Wow did I ever smack a hornets nest. Sorry about that. I know some people have put a lot of time and effort and money into getting their supply of ammo, and they deserve it. Why not? They worked for it. Those where not the ones I was referring to in my post and since I must have come off as seeming I was I apologize to those fine folks. And to those who still buy for friends. We need more people in this world like you. And I could use a few as friends too. LOL I do have one friend who will sometimes buy ammo for me when he sees it. But he doesn't get around much more than me.

And to the poster that told me that since sometimes I don't have the money for ammo I should not be buying ammo or guns as there are more important things. Well there are more important things. That is why sometimes I don't have money for ammo because I used it on more important things. But because I might have a bad month and not be able to buy ammo, doesn't mean I can never buy it and that I would let responsibilities go just to buy ammo. And when I bought my guns, ammo was around and affordable.

And to those who gave advice. I do appreciate it and will use it. And I will keep a eye on the ammo thread on this forum. Should have done that already.

Bill

 

[kbm6893]

Last week I was in Walmart really early and went to the ammo counter. They had exactly 9 bricks of 22 ammo that just came in. two guys ahead of me bought three each. Now it's my turn. I hear the guy behind me with his young son say 'please, don't buy .22" under his breath. I bought ONE box. Turned to the guy and said they're all yours. Guy thanked me profusely. Was heading to the range right after he got the ammo to shoot with his son.

Sorry, but I think people who glom all they can when they can are selfish. Within 3 minutes of that ammo being put out, it was all gone. I know guys with over 100,000 rounds of .22.

 

[cyphertext]

And I will keep a eye on the ammo thread on this forum. Should have done that already.

It really is the best way. Heck, even click on a Cabela's link that was posted a day or two before... you might get lucky! If you don't, bookmark that link and then check it several times a day. If you hit, place your order, then go to the ammo thread and post your link and let everyone know that Cabelas has ammo up again. If you have a smart phone, try it from there. Sometimes the mobile version shows different stock than the computer version.

 

[cyphertext]

Last week I was in Walmart really early and went to the ammo counter. They had exactly 9 bricks of 22 ammo that just came in. two guys ahead of me bought three each. Now it's my turn. I hear the guy behind me with his young son say 'please, don't buy .22" under his breath. I bought ONE box. Turned to the guy and said they're all yours. Guy thanked me profusely. Was heading to the range right after he got the ammo to shoot with his son.

Sorry, but I think people who glom all they can when they can are selfish. Within 3 minutes of that ammo being put out, it was all gone. I know guys with over 100,000 rounds of .22.

That was nice of you. You didn't have to do it, but it was a good thing to do.

 

[CoMF]

• Ammo is NOT a necessity...

Sorry, but that's incorrect. In a practical context (e.g. for self defense, hunting, maintaining proficiency, etc.), a firearm without ammo is nothing more than an expensive club. Therefore, ammo very much IS a necessity.

Beating a dead horse, indeed...

 

[hsguy]

I thinks this thread has outlived any usefulness and is a rehash of many previous ones since the start of the current shortage. I would hope that if another thread surfaces in the future it will not denigrate into name calling or insults.