WI proposes constitutional carry. I'm undecided.

[crittrgittr]

We (WI) have a proposal out there now for constitutional carry. I always was in favor of it, until now. Now I'm undecided if it's a good idea for people without classes or background checks to be carrying. I am a current permit carrier. What are some thoughts from those of you who already have it in your state? I do believe in the 2nd amendment also. TORN.

 

[serger]

So far I've had to get WY, CO, UT, and ND licenses.
Still have the UT and ND for the NICS checks.
Got the other 2 back in the day to
legally do what I was doing anyway.

I think, "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED", means just that.

I really believe having to take a "class" or get a "background" check
is having the gov't make me say Mother May I. Screw that.
The Gov't derives it's power and authority from me, not the
other way around. I've always been against this type of BS.
It's the firearms equivalent of Jim Crow laws and poll taxes.

 

[snubbyfan]

Good luck with that. I only know that since West Virginia went with constitutional carry, it's like the wild west out here.
I live in constant fear that some drunken hillbilly'll see me and open fire.
Oh wait, that's what "they" said'll happen.
Basically, nothing's changed.
The law abiding'll carry legally and the criminals'll still break the law.
Personally, I still need to have a permit for reciprocity with VA.

 

[bigwheelzip]

The SC carry class was a full day, and more than an hour of it was the deputy explaining the legalities of what-if scenarios that were asked by the class. There's a lot of wrong ideas in peoples heads about whats legal to do, but asking and hearing the questions others asked was a valuable opportunity for me to learn the law. I was glad for the opportunity.

 

[keith44spl]

My goodness, the very thought of the un-washed masses of law-biding citizens being
allow to carry a tool of convenience to defend themselves against un-lawful menace
without the permission of the state or the powers to be...
For all are guilty till proven innocent by way of a back-ground check.




Oh wait, isn't that an inalienable right here in the good ol US of A, the right to defend one's self ???




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[apollo99]

Arizona went to Constitutional Carry, The opponents said blood will be running in the streets, there will be shootouts in back alleys and people will be dropping like flies in the barrooms. Of course none of this has happened. People are buying guns, and training on their own. A few months ago a civilian saved the life of a DPS Officer with his own personal owned and carried hand gun, shooting a bad guy. Embrace the Constitutional Carry if and when it passes in your state. Seems to be the wave of the future.

 

[AlHunt]

Constitutional Carry puts law abiding people on equal footing with law breakers, who carry their firearms without a permit.

It can take weeks or months to get a permit. People in jeopardy have died waiting for permission to carry a firearm. Often at the hands of someone carrying an illegal firearm.

We had a situation in my county a couple years back where a fugitive roamed the woods for a couple months, evidently passing within 100 feet of my house on multiple occasions. He was wanted for the murder of his girlfriend. At that time, the Constitutional Carry debate was raging here in Maine. It would have taken most if not all of the 2 months for someone to acquire a CC permit.

So, I believe you should support Constitutional Carry in your state. It's the law of the land in about a dozen states now and blood isn't running in the streets.

Also, if anyone tries Universal Background Checks in your state, kick them out.

 

[hoosierone]

I believe the folks who wrote our Bill of Rights intended for us to have Constitutional Carry. "shall not be infringed" The aggravation of obtaining and paying for a license, to me constitutes infringement.

Don't know if this is the best comparison, but consider how many terrible drivers are out there, presumably licensed. I would say at least 25% of drivers have no conception of what it means to properly operate a motor vehicle.

 

[BigDog48]

Constitutional Carry puts law abiding people on equal footing with law breakers, who carry their firearms without a permit.

It can take weeks or months to get a permit. People in jeopardy have died waiting for permission to carry a firearm. Often at the hands of someone carrying an illegal firearm.

We had a situation in my county a couple years back where a fugitive roamed the woods for a couple months, evidently passing within 100 feet of my house on multiple occasions. He was wanted for the murder of his girlfriend. At that time, the Constitutional Carry debate was raging here in Maine. It would have taken most if not all of the 2 months for someone to acquire a CC permit.

So, I believe you should support Constitutional Carry in your state. It's the law of the land in about a dozen states now and blood isn't running in the streets.

Also, if anyone tries Universal Background Checks in your state, kick them out.

Thanks for that post. Hadn't thought of it that way. When I Googled, I found that Constitutional Carry States have less violent crime than the other states.

 

[shamrocker]

my 2 cents worth

I got on the CCW bandwagon a long time ago (been teaching 25+ years now) It took a bunch of us like minded guys and girls many years to wear down our congress critters in a very blue state. When we finally got our CCW law, I took up teaching it and helping folks get legal.
Our state (where I was living at the time) had very tough laws, 8 hours classroom, live fire, passing a shooting test, etc. not to mention expensive.
On top of everything else the powers that be in charge of the whole mess at the state level drug their feet on reciprocal agreements with other states.
The bottom line is I went and got licensed to teach Utah due to the fact that it was cheaper there were real agreements in place and no live fire. Then I went back to my state and started getting folks legal with a Utah permit......worked for 4 years till my state dropped their recognition of Utah permits, and Utah felt the pressure and changed to requiring a person out of state to have their states permit first.
Bottom line for me:
There is nothing in the 2nd that says you may "keep and bear", but first you must pay a fee, then you have to prove to somebody you can shoot, then we will do a complete background check on you, then when we are good and ready we will let you know. Oh by the way we will also tell you where you can and can't exercise your "rights"
For many years now ( I have and continue to teach in several states) all my classes are free of charge.
To me its just giving back and helping my fellow citizens obtain what is rightfully theirs to begin with.
I am all for constitutional carry. In my experience folks who want to carry, also want to be safe and take care of themselves and their family's. But I don't really care, it is their right.
Not to mention the bad guys don't seek anybody's permission or do any training or have any respect for your or anybody else s safety.
I now reside in Wisconsin also, and we have a very good CCW law here. That said we will continue to need our permit to carry in other states. But there is always room for improvement...........and getting constitutional carry is the next step.
My big concern right now is universal background checks.
like I said just my 2 cents, your mileage may vary

 

[gen3guy]

We've had it in Arizona since 2010. When it was signed into law, a local newspaper columnist wrote a "doom and gloom" hit piece on it, predicting the inevitable anarchy and bloodbath. 18 months later (to his credit) he penned what basically amounted to a retraction. The sky didn't fall. People still did stupid things but no more than usual.

Also, Arizona retained it's permit system and recommended that people take the class and get the permit anyway, which I did. The Arizona permit is honored in just about all western states except for the 3 Pacific coast states. No comment on that.

 

[Rock185]

I was still working full time in LE at the time Arizona passed it. I discussed it with the Chief. He and I were of the opinion that it would not really change anything for us here. Since then, doesn't seem to me that anything has changed. I'm aware that in some other states, carrying a firearm without the necessity for Government approval,i.e., forms, applications, reviews, licenses, renewals, etc. is an alien and frightening concept to many. Different cultures with regard to firearms I guess. Perhaps, sort of like the different culture with regard to firearms between the US and UK......ymmv

 

[Mr.Harry]

In my home state of NH, I believe the bill was on our former governor's desk at least once, and rejected, before the last election. Only been in place now a month or so? Anyway, many folks here were looking at our neighbor state of ME to see how things went there. I want to say constitutional carry was in place there for over a year, before us. As others have said, there was no blood running in the streets or other kinds of calamitous chaos. I believe, the violent crime rate may have even dropped a bit. So we'll see what happens here, and I'm sure like we were watching ME others will be watching us, but I don't expect much of anything very different will occur. Besides maybe a few less innocent victims of violent crime. But only time will tell. And maybe Constitutional Carry ISNT necessarily the best thing for every state, even though I happen to be an advocate of it, and am glad my home state is. The people gotta decide and get the right leaders in office to make it happen, if so. Like we did here. I can say, looking at things now, and the ways things are changing, I would be very hesitant to move to any other state that did not have it in place. But that's just me. Good luck in WI! I have some family there.

 

[Kevin J.]

If you don't want it in Wisconsin toss it across the river, we will take it in Minnesota.

 

[Flattop5]

Let me understand this: regarding Constitutional Carry, people are asking themselves: "should I choose freedom, or not?" America is in much worse condition than I thought; I knew that we are now "Soviet lite," but this is ridiculous! Wake up, people. Smell the freedom wafting into the room. Breathe it. Live it. Celebrate it.





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[GaryS]

I'm all for training and practice. I'm not all for needing a permission slip to exercise my rights under the Constitution. I don't need a class and background check to write a letter to my elected officials. I don't need a class and background check to vote. I don't need to go to law school before I can exercise my rights under the 4th or 5th Amendments.

Not having a permit or class has never yet stopped a criminal, but it has probably deterred many law abiding citizens from being able to protect themselves.

We (WI) have a proposal out there now for constitutional carry. I always was in favor of it, until now. Now I'm undecided if it's a good idea for people without classes or background checks to be carrying. I am a current permit carrier. What are some thoughts from those of you who already have it in your state? I do believe in the 2nd amendment also. TORN.

 

[Coastie762]

The same tired arguments I heard when WI instituted "shall issue" CC several years ago have been dusted off by the usual suspects and are now being spouted by the media in alarmist tones.

Thirteen other states currently have permitless (Constitutional) carry and I have yet to hear about any widespread problems. If instituted in WI, I don't think things would be any different here.

The current "training" requirements for obtaining a CCL in WI is minimal. For instance a hunters safety certificate (which deals little if any with handguns and not at all for self defense) satisfies the training requirement. No live fire/fingerprints/photos are required. Applications and renewals are inexpensive, can be completed on line and are processed rapidly.

In the 5 1/2 years since passage of shall issue in WI, very few problems with licensed CC holders have been reported. Certainly no more so than other states with more "stringent" training requirements.

 

[Capt. F.]

Maine, where I live has Constitutional and permitted carry.
Permitted carry for those who may want to travel to other states and Constitutional carry within state.
For permitted you must take a safety class or have served in the military. For CC you need only be legally able to own a firearm.
Haven't been any blood baths, no shootouts in Dodge at high noon.
Recently a bill to lower the age to carry to 18 was voted down in the state legislature.
Evidently some legislators feel it's ok to trust an 18 year old to carry an M-16 in the military protecting their hides but can't trust those same individuals to carry a .38 to protect their own hides in civilian life.

 

[ladder13]

I've actually read the Constitution, all of it, I see no mention of fee's and classes to excercise a right.

 

[Arik]

In PA there are no classes. It's a shall issue State. For a license you have to pass a background check, same one as for firearms purchase. Takes 2 min. Open carry is legal but there are certain quirks

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