Will Texas Finally Pass an Open Carry Law for Concealed Carry Licensees

[keith44spl]

Boys,

I'll tell y'all, when Texas passes open carry....

This here kinda fun with threads like this'n will be all over rounds these here parts for sure.


Su Amigo,
Dave

 

[ladyT]

Texas will not pass Open Carry. Won't happen. In fact this open carry issue most likely will scuttle the very progress we have made since the SCOTUS decision. In fact we will be very lucky to retain the progress we have made to date as the result of OCT's recent actions. They have played right into our opposition's hands. They have given the anti's all of the ammunition they need to stop the progression and expansion of our Second Amendment Rights.

 

[keith44spl]

"What we have here is a total disregard for the Law...."

At a point in time the Texas legislature voted to over ride her citizens constitutional right,
i.e. the open carrying of handguns,

Then the state legislature, in all it's infinite wisdom, saw the revenue to be had by
transforming a basic right into a privilege by way of the CHLs.

If Austin could privilege tax open carry the same way as with the CHLs,
they'd have themselves just another cash cow .

I don't believe for a minute, that any state body has passed concealed carry legislation
or any other firearms legislation, for the benefit of it's constituency....

It's always been about power and money......Power over the citizenries and collectin' those taxes.



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[ChattanoogaPhil]

There are always some gun owners who have difficulty accepting the idea of freedom, particularly the idea of others having freedom. Conditioned that government knows best, they will lash out at their fellow gun owners as not responsible enough to handle freedom and predict doom.

A classic example of this was Tennessee's guns in bars legislation. Oh how some gun owners panicked. They said how horrible this type of legislation is... gun owners characterized as a bunch of drunk cowboys in saloons, predicting widespread drunken bar shootouts, and of course telling us what a horrible public image it is to even talk about such craziness and would set back the progress of gun freedoms.

Well... despite the all the whining, the adults in the room passed the legislation anyway. That's been going on four years ago. We're doing fine and continue to expand gun freedoms in Tennnessee.

Don't let the naysayers get their way. They are wrong.

ps. There are over 400,000 of us here in a Tennessee who can legally open carry. We're doing fine. There is progress being made to allow millions to legally open carry in Tennessee without a carry permit. When that happens we'll do fine with it.

 

[Steve in Vermont]

Texas will not pass Open Carry. Won't happen. In fact this open carry issue most likely will scuttle the very progress we have made since the SCOTUS decision. In fact we will be very lucky to retain the progress we have made to date as the result of OCT's recent actions. They have played right into our opposition's hands. They have given the anti's all of the ammunition they need to stop the progression and expansion of our Second Amendment Rights.

And the NRA hasn't helped its cause by backtracking on its statement criticizing those who blatantly carried long guns into a restaurant. If I didn't know better I'd say someone from the anti-gun lobby paid these guys to do so. Responsible gun owners are working to maintain a good image of themselves, as mature people who can be trusted with guns. Then along come these clowns and we're tarred by the same brush.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Texas will not pass Open Carry. Won't happen. In fact this open carry issue most likely will scuttle the very progress we have made since the SCOTUS decision. In fact we will be very lucky to retain the progress we have made to date as the result of OCT's recent actions. They have played right into our opposition's hands. They have given the anti's all of the ammunition they need to stop the progression and expansion of our Second Amendment Rights.

Don't let the media hype and handwringing get to ya. A lot worse things can happen to someone at a Chipotie restaurant than seeing a gun in the open. Google Chipotie food poisoning. Yet somehow they remain in business. 2A rights will stay in business too.

 

[arjay]

The average person in this country is concerned about paying his bills and raising his family in peace.This oc stuff,to him,is how life is lived in Libya and Afghanistan and any number of 3rd world countries.The oc crowd watched far too much tv growing up and honestly believes the good guy always wins.Its idiotic.My family came out of a war zone and believes this mentality is just insane.

 

[keith44spl]

Gentlemen thanks for your fine posts, it would be nice to hear from more members who live in open carry states and find out what thet have experienced.

Sir,

I travel often between the Lone Star State and the Commonwealth of Kentucky.

Am now serving as a detective for the Commonwealth.
I find the Kentucky Revised Statutes to be highly in favor of the law-biding firearms owner.

*Open carry by constitutional right, i.e. that of the U.S. and the Commonwealth
Must be 18 years of age to open carry a handgun
(http://www.lrc.ky.gov/statutes/statute.aspx?id=19964)

*Concealed Carry by way of a Concealed Carry Deadly Weapon License (which covers a variety of deadly weapons as well as firearms)
Must be 21 years of age to carry a concealed firearm by virtue of a license.

I personally find many states much more gun friendly than that of my beloved Texas, May God Bless Her!


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[ladyT]

Don't let the media hype and handwringing get to ya. A lot worse things can happen to someone at a Chipotie restaurant than seeing a gun in the open. Google Chipotie food poisoning. Yet somehow they remain in business. 2A rights will stay in business too.

Not media hype but it is that very media hype that pushes the fence sitters into the anti-gun camp. I know of no mother going into a restaurant and seeing people with rifles slung on their shoulders or pistols in a holster ( non LEO) that won't turn around and go elsewhere. That mother has no idea who those people are and she will make the prudent decision to go somewhere else. That's bad for the business owner and bad for our cause.


Open Carry is not that important in the scheme of things. We first must get The Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2013 (H.R. 2959) passed and the actions of these open carry events will make passing this bill even harder than it should be. We also need to do away with a license to carry concealed. The recently enacted laws restricting Rights in states like CT.,NY.,NJ., Mass. and others need to be overturned. There are more important issues that need to be addressed before dealing with the open carry issue. But this issue has a very good chance to kill and reverse the progress we have made to date.

 

[keith44spl]

Not media hype but it is that very media hype that pushes the fence sitters into the anti-gun camp. I know of no mother going into a restaurant and seeing people with rifles slung on their shoulders or pistols in a holster ( non LEO) that won't turn around and go elsewhere. That mother has no idea who those people are and she will make the prudent decision to go somewhere else. That's bad for the business owner and bad for our cause.


Open Carry is not that important in the scheme of things. We first must get The Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2013 (H.R. 2959) passed and the actions of these open carry events will make passing this bill even harder than it should be. We also need to do away with a license to carry concealed. The recently enacted laws restricting Rights in states like CT.,NY.,NJ., Mass. and others need to be overturned. There are more important issues that need to be addressed before dealing with the open carry issue. But this issue has a very good chance to kill and reverse the progress we have made to date.

Really,
If I'm in plain clothes what mother is gonna know, I ask you?

It's been my long time observation of folks in general, most folks wouldn't know if the place was being robbed
when they enter, let'll on who's carrying a gun.
Most are so busy txting, tweetin and chasing their youngins to know what's going on around them!

And Nat'l reciprocity is as likely as rainbow stew and free bubble-up.

If'n ya don't stand for something, you'll be swayed by the slightest breeze that blows.

Those that are open to compromise and or suggestion are compromised already to any thought of us reasoning together.

Most folks know this of law makers; incumbents want to stay in office, challengers want in office and
both will promise anything to get a vote. Any politician worth his salt is not going to take up a
position for or against a issue before knowing which way the political wind is a blowing.

It's whatever is the popular opine of the voters that will sway the law maker...
Not one other thing, it's all about who can put the most slop in the public trough that gets the most votes.


Su Amigo,
Dave
Broadcasting live this week from The Red River Valley

BTW Phil, PM me sometime for the straight dope on this and we'll have a lit'l 'ManTalk'

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

There are moms with kids in the OC photo gallery link I posted earlier. Also see the photo of the burger joint with all the ARs on the booth seat. Folks don't look like they are panic rushing the exit, do they?

Not media hype but it is that very media hype that pushes the fence sitters into the anti-gun camp. I know of no mother going into a restaurant and seeing people with rifles slung on their shoulders or pistols in a holster ( non LEO) that won't turn around and go elsewhere. That mother has no idea who those people are and she will make the prudent decision to go somewhere else. That's bad for the business owner and bad for our cause.

Open Carry is not that important in the scheme of things. We first must get The Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2013 (H.R. 2959) passed and the actions of these open carry events will make passing this bill even harder than it should be. We also need to do away with a license to carry concealed. The recently enacted laws restricting Rights in states like CT.,NY.,NJ., Mass. and others need to be overturned. There are more important issues that need to be addressed before dealing with the open carry issue. But this issue has a very good chance to kill and reverse the progress we have made to date.

I am sure there are many that feel like you, that OC restrictions aren't all that important. A lot of folks don't consider Class3 restrictions as a big deal either. Quite often they also proclaim... We all are in this together.

The idea that Texas can't address OC while the Feds deal with Right to Carry Reciprocity isn't something I buy into. Sounds more like an excuse to avoid making OC legal. I know of no mother... comment pretty much leads me to believe that. Am I wrong?
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A little anecdote... kinda related. I was talking to a member of the largest gun group in MA a while back. I asked him what they were doing to help make it legal for the good people of MA own sound suppressors. His answer was that they just could't get to it in the current political climate... the democrats... blah blah blah.

Now here is the Paul Harvey of it. The group is over 40 years old. I can't find anything they ever did the past 40 years to do anything to address Class3 restrictions, ever. Just could't get to it right now....

Now, how long has it been that Texans can't legally open carry handguns? Can't deal with it right now?

 

[Steve in Vermont]

Here in Vermont any adult (from any state) can OC or CC without a permit. Rifles and shotguns cannot be loaded when in a motor vehicle but handguns can. Nearly 1/2 the population has a gun in the home. I've lived here for half a century and hunted a good part of that time. During hunting season guns are a common sight, in cars and trucks, usually in cases. There's nothing that prohibits OC in a restaurant or other business, unless posted, and except for schools and state/federal building I've never seen any posted signs. What I have also never seen is anyone OC in restaurants, even during hunting season. If you brought a gun (OC) into a business people would look at you as if you had 2 heads. If it was an AK they'd call the police. The question on peoples minds would be "Why is he doing this? Mature gun owners don't act like this. What's his problem?" It's just never done, never. Yet I have many friends who CC. I see them in all these establishments and most people are aware they are doing so. Folks respect the right to CC and accept these people because they are exercising their 2nd A rights in a responsible, mature manner.

 

[Steve in Vermont]

There are moms with kids in the OC photo gallery link I posted earlier. Also see the photo of the burger joint with all the ARs on the booth seat. Folks don't look like they are panic rushing the exit, do they?



I am sure there are many that feel like you, that OC restrictions aren't all that important. A lot of folks don't consider Class3 restrictions as a big deal either. Quite often they also proclaim... We all are in this together.

The idea that Texas can't address OC while the Feds deal with Right to Carry Reciprocity isn't something I buy into. Sounds more like an excuse to avoid making OC legal. I never met a mom... comment pretty much leads me to believe that. Am I wrong?

Based on my observation at our local range, I'm not impressed with many of the young people buying guns such as an AK. I've seen these folks unable to sight in the rifle, or know how to break it down for cleaning. And their safety routine is nothing to brag about either. These are the folks that I'd worry about OC in a restaurant, and so should everyone else. There are just to many incompetent people carrying these guns, and I don't want them doing so around me and my family. And I don't want to find out who's incompetent and isn't by waiting for an AD.

 

[Old TexMex]

Not media hype but it is that very media hype that pushes the fence sitters into the anti-gun camp. I know of no mother going into a restaurant and seeing people with rifles slung on their shoulders or pistols in a holster ( non LEO) that won't turn around and go elsewhere.


Well, if you actually know someone who acts that way, there's your chance to wise them up, first by informing them that not everyone with a gun is crazy....if you really believe that....

Oh, and be sure to tell them that there are hundreds of thousands of concealed handguns out there, too.
Except,of course, in the places like schools where mass killings occur. They don't allow guns there.

 

[Old TexMex]

Here in Vermont any adult (from any state) can OC or CC without a permit. Rifles and shotguns cannot be loaded when in a motor vehicle but handguns can. Nearly 1/2 the population has a gun in the home. I've lived here for half a century and hunted a good part of that time. During hunting season guns are a common sight, in cars and trucks, usually in cases. There's nothing that prohibits OC in a restaurant or other business, unless posted, and except for schools and state/federal building I've never seen any posted signs. What I have also never seen is anyone OC in restaurants, even during hunting season. If you brought a gun (OC) into a business people would look at you as if you had 2 heads. If it was an AK they'd call the police. The question on peoples minds would be "Why is he doing this? Mature gun owners don't act like this. What's his problem?" It's just never done, never. Yet I have many friends who CC. I see them in all these establishments and most people are aware they are doing so. Folks respect the right to CC and accept these people because they are exercising their 2nd A rights in a responsible, mature manner.

Vermonters are regular Americans and residents of Texas are sub Americans, I suppose. Maybe our votes shouldn't count as much either, huh?

The reason no one protests stupid gun laws in your home state is because YOU DON'T HAVE THEM.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Based on my observation at our local range, I'm not impressed with many of the young people buying guns such as an AK. I've seen these folks unable to sight in the rifle, or know how to break it down for cleaning. And their safety routine is nothing to brag about either. These are the folks that I'd worry about OC in a restaurant, and so should everyone else. There are just to many incompetent people carrying these guns, and I don't want them doing so around me and my family. And I don't want to find out who's incompetent and isn't by waiting for an AD.

There have been countless OC events across the nation over the years. How many innocent bystanders have been shot with an AK?

Steve, is it really youth and inexperience that causes this anxiety and worry or is it just seeing a gun where you don't usually see one or being carried by a guy not in uniform?

 

[keith44spl]

When I'm in an eat joint....


It's not the person with a holstered up sidearm or a long gun slung on their shoulder that concerns me.


It's the cat with his hand under his shirt/jacket lookin around real nervous like that I keep an eye on.


It's those sorts, that most likely to jerk a pistol or saw'd-off long gun out from concealment and cause trouble.

I've observed folks open carrying sidearms in KY & TN and have not saw one mother dragging
her off-springs out of those establishments, no not one.

But this just me talking...From about 5 er 6 decades of observation.






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[ladder13]

There have been countless OC events across the nation over the years. How many innocent bystanders have been shot with an AK?

Steve, is it really youth and inexperience that causes this anxiety and worry or is it just seeing a gun where you don't usually see one or being carried by a guy not in uniform?

Looks responsible and mature to me.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

The reason no one protests stupid gun laws in your home state is because YOU DON'T HAVE THEM.

Bingo!

If our HCP prohibited OC there would be similar demonstrations here in Tennessee. Instead, it is legal and there just isn't a problem with guys running around with AKs in protest.

This is why insulting and antagonizing these people and telling them there are more important things to do will not have the desired effect. Making OC legal will have the desired effect. It's a Constitutional right for heaven's sake, they aren't asking for free cell phones. Once handgun OC becomes legal the demonstrations and rallies will fade away...

 

[the ringo kid]

Here in Vermont any adult (from any state) can OC or CC without a permit. Rifles and shotguns cannot be loaded when in a motor vehicle but handguns can. Nearly 1/2 the population has a gun in the home. I've lived here for half a century and hunted a good part of that time. During hunting season guns are a common sight, in cars and trucks, usually in cases. There's nothing that prohibits OC in a restaurant or other business, unless posted, and except for schools and state/federal building I've never seen any posted signs. What I have also never seen is anyone OC in restaurants, even during hunting season. If you brought a gun (OC) into a business people would look at you as if you had 2 heads. If it was an AK they'd call the police. The question on peoples minds would be "Why is he doing this? Mature gun owners don't act like this. What's his problem?" It's just never done, never. Yet I have many friends who CC. I see them in all these establishments and most people are aware they are doing so. Folks respect the right to CC and accept these people because they are exercising their 2nd A rights in a responsible, mature manner.

that'sthe way it used tobe where I grew up. I dont know why many folks stopped carying? but they did and it became a less common site. Then when someone who still carried was seen with a gun--some person would freak out at the sight of the weapon--that didnt happen till about 1990--and even then--it was still pretty common to see folks with guns in cars,on shoulders etc.

i cant say what it was like in other parts of Texas--since i didnt live in all of those places. )