With the Continuing Nut Cases

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Once again, it's a question of whether you feel an obligation to try to stop innocent people from getting slaughtered.

If you don't then running away is clearly the best choice.

I don't. I am responsible for me and mine. You are on your own, unless saving you is my path to safety. Unlike some, I'm not Jonesin' for a chance to be a hero in a gunfight . . .
 
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I don't. I am responsible for me and mine. You are on your own, unless saving you is my path to safety. Unlike some, I'm not Jonesin' for a chance to be a hero in a gunfight . . .
Your choice. At least you're honest about it.

I'm not Jonesin' for a chance to trample somebody's toddler to save myself.
 
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After seeing Snubbyfan's leather setup, I think I'm going to have to have him make me another holster but this time with a belt to match. Darn you Snubbyfan !!!!:D

You will not wear anything else if you have him make you a belt. I mean another belt.
 

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Get caught out in the street, parking lot, or even a mall, and you may see the reasoning for being able to hit a target at 25 yards, especially if the shooter is armed with a rifle. The 100 yard shooting is not as important, but being able to suppress a shooter's target selection process could save lives. Here, a police officer was potentially saved by a citizen's long range handgun marksmanship: Citizen shoots trailer park gunman, saves Texas officer

If you don't think it is an important skill, don't practice it. Since I don't routinely carry a rifle or shotgun, I'm going to practice at long range as well.

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Even though it is very unlikely to need to make a shot out side of 15 to 20 feet I do still practice at lengths much longer ..

I practice out to 100 feet on the outdoor range .. usually 1 mag at least .. I will lean against a pole or the side of my Jeep to steady myself as I would behind cover .. I might not hit the center of the bulls eye of the target but I'm on target 7 or 8 out of 10 shots or better .. always takes me 1 or 2 to get the distance right .. but I could easily hit my target or keep someone penned down if needed at that distance and further ..
 
I feel absolutely safe with my pocket knife. I live in a county that maybe has 1 murder every 20 years and 1 armed robbery every 5 or 10 years. Nobody has a reason to murder me and I don't work in a store. I also don't visit large cities and I avoid crowds because I just don't like people that much. Not much to be training for around here. Maybe someday but until then I'll stay antisocial. :)

little town down along the river about 1200 people .. no murders in town for over 50 years .. someone robbed the local gas station killing the attendant ..

Just because it hasn't happened in a number of years doesn't mean it won't happen tomorrow !!
 
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little town down along the river about 1200 people .. no murders in town for over 50 years .. someone robbed the local gas station killing the attendant ..

Just because it hasn't happened in a number of years doesn't mean it won't happen tomorrow !!
I used to live in Berea, Ohio in the '80 and '90s. There hadn't been a murder there in something like twenty years. Then a kid robbed a Little Caesar's pizza place and murdered the cashier.

I currently live in Rocky River, Ohio. There's little to no violent crime here. I can't tell you when there'd been a murder here... until a year or two after I moved here and some lackwit robbed a local sports card store. He decided he'd shoot it out with the cops. He lost.

There are no "safe spaces". The "safest" place on earth can get very dangerous in an instant. It only takes one person who wants that to happen.

I wonder how many shootings they've had in the Ft. Hood PAC center before Nidal Hassan, and after.
 
little town down along the river about 1200 people .. no murders in town for over 50 years .. someone robbed the local gas station killing the attendant ..

Just because it hasn't happened in a number of years doesn't mean it won't happen tomorrow !!

That can pertain to many things. I recall several years ago in the town I grew up in, a lady got struck by lightning because she was on her phone and the lightning came through the phone line. It's hard to prepare for that. Just because someone gets run over by a truck while crossing the street doesn't mean I'm going to train myself to cross the street faster just in case. There are many ways even less of a possibility of happening that a person can't really train for. There is even a higher chance of slipping on the ice and smacking my head on the sidewalk than there is of ever confronting a bad guy with a gun. Just sayin... If I ever get a job at a gas station I'll start carrying.
 
If I ever get a job at a gas station I'll start carrying.
My mother lives in the next town over from Tinley Park, Illinois.

I've been in Tinley Park quite a bit. I never felt in danger there.

I'm sure neither did the six women who got shot (five of them fatally) in a Lane Bryant clothing store there.

They didn't work in a gas station. Five out of six of them are dead.

There are no "safe spaces".
 
I've got an idea that the very same people that will never leave home without their EDC along with their BUG are the same people that don't carry an emergency survival kit while traveling during bad winter weather. Guess what's more dangerous.
 
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I've got an idea that the very same people that will never leave home without their EDC along with their BUG are the same people that don't carry an emergency survival kit while traveling during bad winter weather. Guess what's more dangerous.
Define "traveling".

On those rare instances when I drive to Chiraq during the winter I have a sleeping bag with me.

I know the difference between "dangerous" and "fatal".
 
Even driving 10 miles can be considered traveling in MN during the winter. Being in a dangerous situation can prove to be fatal.
 
That can pertain to many things. I recall several years ago in the town I grew up in, a lady got struck by lightning because she was on her phone and the lightning came through the phone line. It's hard to prepare for that. Just because someone gets run over by a truck while crossing the street doesn't mean I'm going to train myself to cross the street faster just in case. There are many ways even less of a possibility of happening that a person can't really train for. There is even a higher chance of slipping on the ice and smacking my head on the sidewalk than there is of ever confronting a bad guy with a gun. Just sayin... If I ever get a job at a gas station I'll start carrying.

Kinda makes a guy wondering how will he ever get out of here alive:D
 
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