Would we dare to fire to protect ourselves

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Considering all the violent riots and property destruction certain elements of our society heap on communites every time one of our dedicated LEOs shoots an aggressive non-complicant suspect, whether armed or not, I often wonder what would happen to one of us private citizens who might have to shoot for the same reason to protect ourselves/family at home or this time of year in a shopping center parking lot.
Get's sort of scary when you really think what could happen to our family from threats like the LEO in Ferguson got and finally had to resign from his job.
 
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Considering all the violent riots and property destruction certain elements of our society heap on communites every time one of our dedicated LEOs shoots an aggressive non-complicant suspect, whether armed or not, I often wonder what would happen to one of us private citizens who might have to shoot for the same reason to protect ourselves/family at home or this time of year in a shopping center parking lot.
Get's sort of scary when you really think what could happen to our family from threats like the LEO in Ferguson got and finally had to resign from his job.


Sure. Look at the Korean store owners during the Rodney King riots. They didn;t blink and nobody messed with them after.
 
Better to be judged by 12 and alive than carried by 6 because you are dead. One thing is for sure, your life will be a living hell for at least a year after and you will probably be in the poor house after all the legal bills; assuming you are judged innocent in the trial. You will be judged guilty by the media automatically, that's a given.
 
With regard to LE officers, they face much "Monday morning quarterbacking" by all sorts of people who have no clue about split-second decisions in life threatening situations. I salute every one of them for taking on a job that is fast becoming one that perhaps plenty of people now have reservations about doing.

Some officers will likely die because of the tendency to "second guess themselves" or due to hesitation for fear that the public, the media and the "system" will betray them. And, it is so unnecessary for it to "come to that."

Personally, I have found it really easy to not get shot by an officer, not only in the US, but everywhere in the world, including places where Americans are not well regarded, or at least regarded with great suspicion, including the USSR and China when they were really communist, not to mention some other hell-holes, such as real (not resort) Mexico and some other "tin-horn dictator" Caribbean locales.

All I had to do was mind my manners, follow instructions and not attack an officer or grab for his gun with the intent to kill him. Pretty simple formula.

Sorry if that was "politically incorrect," but it has worked for me.
 
The common issue in these riot situations has been "questionable" actions by, as you identified LEO's. As long as you are not LEO I doubt your involvement in a valid ccw scenario would cause riots or looting.

Your time would be better spent worrying and preparing for random home invasions, active shooter in your place of work, or road rage violence.
 
Be alert, prepare for the worst, and hope for the best.

Sorry to say this, but these people that are rioting are just looking for an excuse to have a free for all.

If Wilson had been indicted, the same people would have done the same thing using the excuse it was a celebration.

Just no way of winning with this mindset.

What really gets me is these people come from all over the country to cause problems, like I said, it's just one big free for all.

A friend of mine said it best, Fly over and drop job applications and watch them scatter.
 
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Be alert, prepare for the worst, and hope for the best.

Sorry to say this, but these people that are rioting are just looking for an excuse to have a free for all.

If Wilson had been indicted, the same people would have done the same thing using the excuse it was a celebration.

Just no way of winning with this mindset.

What really gets me is these people come from all over the country to cause problems, like I said, it's just one big free for all.

A friend of mine said it best, Fly over and drop job applications and watch them scatter.

Totally agree with you! Same here in France with the young killed by a "non lethal hand grenade " few weeks ago, by a french Gendarme ....the trouble is , most of the time , the media cover....for the riot in Fergusson, nobody (media) care about the fact "why the cop kill that guy, but only "...a white cop kiledl a young black boy AGAIN (....)Media didn't care about the case and the story, even if it means telling the truth......just " one racist kill again" and remembered the Zimmerman case in Florida, few years ago!
R.
 
So true...... my circle/duty has tightened to my wife and two boys and me.......beyond that ...... not sure anymore!



Sad.........but reality.............


That's my circle of responsibility as well - one of the liberating benefits of retirement.


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If I were not willing to shoot anyone attempting to pull me out of a vehicle or my family, then I would not carry a handgun. I figure after you shoot about three or four the rest may run. But if they don't I will
know I took some with me. My hollow points are color blind, and they
may kill me anyway if they get me out of the car so I would rather go
down taking some with me. Sometimes you just have to raise the price
for attacking an old man. Same thing applies to flash mobs that want to
stomp someone. At least I do not intend to be shot with my own guns
because my guns will be empty before they take me.
 
I have been running a bar for many years an old social club, I am there in the early am's turning the register drawers from the previous days. I always carry my model 12 or a 442. One morning a cinder block came crashing through the side door of the building and a man walked in. I was in the backroom and came out with the 442 drawn on the subject. he stopped in his tracks. and I told him to get on the ground then I hit the panic alarm near the register. The PD showed up arrested him. Come to find out it was a cracked out son of one of our members who I did not know. I got the same question would you have fired. If he got inside my zone yes without hesitation.

Just food for thought

Pete
 
"Sometimes you just have to raise the price"
Very well put TexasArmed,I really like the context of that.The bigger,badder dog ain't always bigger and badder,he's just had enough.The look of disbelief on the face of that ******* that thinks he is gonna get away with it again,now that's "Priceless"
 
FYI, the store owners in Ferguson who stood armed guard outside their stores were not looted, either. Pictures are out there.

And, yes, we would fire. Millions defend themselves every year with handguns. Sometimes they pull the trigger; often they do not have to. If you're not ready, willing, and able to pull the trigger carry something other than a loaded handgun, please.

***GRJ***
 
I think protecting property..

I have been running a bar for many years an old social club, I am there in the early am's turning the register drawers from the previous days. I always carry my model 12 or a 442. One morning a cinder block came crashing through the side door of the building and a man walked in. I was in the backroom and came out with the 442 drawn on the subject. he stopped in his tracks. and I told him to get on the ground then I hit the panic alarm near the register. The PD showed up arrested him. Come to find out it was a cracked out son of one of our members who I did not know. I got the same question would you have fired. If he got inside my zone yes without hesitation.

Just food for thought

Pete

I think for that situation the act was appropriate and you didn't just start shooting him. You got the drop on him and he wasn't after you personally. I hope he is a really grateful crack head for your control.
 
Legal Technicality

Looting often accompanies riots, whatever the reason for the rioting. We hail those who protected their property with firearms. Yet, there's a wrinkle in the use-of-force laws of most states in that you may not use deadly force to prevent a property crime or to merely protect property. You must know exactly what your use-of-force laws permit in the state in which you reside or where you may have to use force. The only usual exception is arson of an occupied dwelling.

During Super-Storm Sandy, a local retail business near me posted a huge sign reading, "Looters will be shot." Really? I'm in New York, a very blue state. Had the proprietor carried out his warning or advisory, he would have faced very serious felony charges and life as he knew it would come to an end.

Sorry, I don't have a sure-fire answer to prevent looting that will pass legal muster in all 50 states. But, my continued freedom is worth more than the contents of a store.
 
Looting often accompanies riots, whatever the reason for the rioting. We hail those who protected their property with firearms. Yet, there's a wrinkle in the use-of-force laws of most states in that you may not use deadly force to prevent a property crime or to merely protect property. You must know exactly what your use-of-force laws permit in the state in which you reside or where you may have to use force. The only usual exception is arson of an occupied dwelling.

During Super-Storm Sandy, a local retail business near me posted a huge sign reading, "Looters will be shot." Really? I'm in New York, a very blue state. Had the proprietor carried out his warning or advisory, he would have faced very serious felony charges and life as he knew it would come to an end.

Sorry, I don't have a sure-fire answer to prevent looting that will pass legal muster in all 50 states. But, my continued freedom is worth more than the contents of a store.

Yes many states have different laws on property. In Texas
we can use deadly force to protect property from being carried
off or driven off etc. Texas statutes 9.41 & 9.42 defines those
rights. Texas does not require a property owner to be in fear
for their life to stop someone escaping with property, and allows
for pursuit to prevent them escaping during the night time.
So them signs in Texas that say "You Loot, We Shoot" mean what they say. Many years ago during a hurricane in Galveston,
Texas 200 looters were shot. We have had some isolated incidents of looting but nothing on a large scale.

A recent case some years ago, was the Joe Horn case in Pasadena, Texas that was no billed (all cases in Texas usually go to a grand jury), three burglars were shot had broken into
his neighbor's house, and Joe Horn went outside contrary to the
dispatcher's request he say where he was. One of the three had
a crowbar, and refuse to stop when they came onto Joe Horn's
property. Other cases where repo folks have been shot can
also be found where the person thought his vehicle was being
stolen.
 
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