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Isn't 9x18 MAK in-between 9mm and .380 as well? I'm guessing the reason for the .30 is the narrower diameter for mag capacity.
Would you buy a micro compact DA/SA chambered in 30 Super Carry?
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So what size is the Seecamp LWS .32 considered?
That said, there are many here and on other forums who buy such pistols and immediately complain that their micro gun is so small its size makes it difficult for them to shoot easily. Really? What did they expect to happen? Next thing they are fitting bigger mags to extend the grip, or an entirely different grip frame (if the gun is modular) to bring the gun up to subcompact size, usually at considerable expense. Just leaves me shaking my head, especially when there is a perfectly functional sub-compact class gun available, often for less money.
It's real simple for me: if I cannot shoot a particular pistol with hanging pinky, I don't buy it. Either because of the pistol's superior design or some skill on my part (you decide) I can shoot a Walther PPS M2 quite well with the short magazine and my pinky dangling. Do I shoot better with the longer mag and full grip? Of course, but there's a trade-off to be made between shootability and concealment.
I agree.
scoobysnacker
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No, I wouldn't buy one
Along with a lot of the reasons listed above, I also have a French 1935A pistol. I like surplus guns
The problem with that is that it's chambered in 7.65 Longue, which has external dimensions very close (so close that Ian on Forgotten Weapons was able to chamber and fire new-manufacture Longue from Steinel, in a 30 Super pistol).
That sounds nice and useful, until you understand compatibility only runs one direction- 30 Super is loaded to 50k psi, whereas the old French Longue is mid-30K's. That, and the 30 Super seems to have a bullet a hundredth thicker... probably still could chamber, but would likely kaboom the 1935A.
Probably very similar to sticking a 9x23 Winchester round into an old Spanish Astra or Star (same pressure differential, and same scary close dimensions that can enable the risk). And since I own said Largo guns, I also would not bring 9x23 Win into my house.
It just seems dumb- and borderline negligent- to make a NEW cartridge that is so close to an older/obsolete one that it can chamber, and yet be loaded so much higher that you would expect a catastrophic failure.
Along with a lot of the reasons listed above, I also have a French 1935A pistol. I like surplus guns
The problem with that is that it's chambered in 7.65 Longue, which has external dimensions very close (so close that Ian on Forgotten Weapons was able to chamber and fire new-manufacture Longue from Steinel, in a 30 Super pistol).
That sounds nice and useful, until you understand compatibility only runs one direction- 30 Super is loaded to 50k psi, whereas the old French Longue is mid-30K's. That, and the 30 Super seems to have a bullet a hundredth thicker... probably still could chamber, but would likely kaboom the 1935A.
Probably very similar to sticking a 9x23 Winchester round into an old Spanish Astra or Star (same pressure differential, and same scary close dimensions that can enable the risk). And since I own said Largo guns, I also would not bring 9x23 Win into my house.
It just seems dumb- and borderline negligent- to make a NEW cartridge that is so close to an older/obsolete one that it can chamber, and yet be loaded so much higher that you would expect a catastrophic failure.
Hoosierville IRN
Member
I need another caliber like I need another hole in my head. .30 SC does absolutely nothing for me.
So the answer is No. Nope. Nada. (I sure wouldn't mind a Shield 4-inch in .45ACP however!)
So the answer is No. Nope. Nada. (I sure wouldn't mind a Shield 4-inch in .45ACP however!)
Being a revolver guy at heart, I'd be 1st in line for a SIG 365 with a traditional DA/SA (bobbed) hammer/decocker. In 9mm of course. They were sort of on the right path with the short-lived 224. Joe
The Norseman
Member
9mm
"Would you buy a DA/SA micro compact
chambered in Super Carry 30?"
There is no way I would buy something
stupid like that, just dumb.
9mm would be the way to go, because
of 9mm ammo availability.
I do also like 380 ACP (9×17mm)
(Automatic Colt Pistol) for a defensive
round.
Good Luck.
"Would you buy a DA/SA micro compact
chambered in Super Carry 30?"
There is no way I would buy something
stupid like that, just dumb.
9mm would be the way to go, because
of 9mm ammo availability.
I do also like 380 ACP (9×17mm)
(Automatic Colt Pistol) for a defensive
round.
Good Luck.
smoothshooter
Member
No
Better to stick with standard calibers.
Better to stick with standard calibers.
Grayfox
US Veteran
The 30SC was DOA. No use in even discussing it. 
Jumping on the bandwagon, NO. 
The other day I cast my vote of no. I feel that I should provide my rationale.
First, I find that I do not shoot pistols that are first shot DA accurately. While this may be common among most shooters, I personally do not find it acceptable.
Second, I believe that there are currently only 2 or 3 companies that are making pistols in 30 SC, which I don't feel is a good indicator of future success. Along that vein, while S&W has had their pistols on the market for a bit more than a year, they have yet to release a state compliant model for state's that mandate neutered magazines.
Third, I don't have a particular need for a new, unproven cartridge. When initially introduced, suggestions had been inferred that the elderly and physically challenged would be the target market. Unfortunately, this has not been the case. (Note: being disabled, I was watching to see how the new pistol/cartridge combination would be presented.)
At this point in time, I feel that both my Glock 42 and my Sig P365-380 can achieve what the 30 Super Carry was billed as capable of. Living in a state which mandates neutered magazine capacity, having a magazine that can hold more than 10 rounds just isn't worth the potential prison sentence.
First, I find that I do not shoot pistols that are first shot DA accurately. While this may be common among most shooters, I personally do not find it acceptable.
Second, I believe that there are currently only 2 or 3 companies that are making pistols in 30 SC, which I don't feel is a good indicator of future success. Along that vein, while S&W has had their pistols on the market for a bit more than a year, they have yet to release a state compliant model for state's that mandate neutered magazines.
Third, I don't have a particular need for a new, unproven cartridge. When initially introduced, suggestions had been inferred that the elderly and physically challenged would be the target market. Unfortunately, this has not been the case. (Note: being disabled, I was watching to see how the new pistol/cartridge combination would be presented.)
At this point in time, I feel that both my Glock 42 and my Sig P365-380 can achieve what the 30 Super Carry was billed as capable of. Living in a state which mandates neutered magazine capacity, having a magazine that can hold more than 10 rounds just isn't worth the potential prison sentence.
It has absolutely.......
...never crossed my mind. Well, thanks to the poll it did "cross my mind" for about 2 seconds. I've built a philosophy (if you will) around getting the most out of 9mm, questioning and researching whatever I can as well as training. Why would I switch to an unproven round?????
...never crossed my mind. Well, thanks to the poll it did "cross my mind" for about 2 seconds. I've built a philosophy (if you will) around getting the most out of 9mm, questioning and researching whatever I can as well as training. Why would I switch to an unproven round?????
I'm not too concerned with the "unproven" part of the equation.
What makes a cartridge effective is pretty well understood at this point.
It's more that 30 Super Carry is an answer to a question nobody really asked.
It doesn't bring enough to the table to justify the logistics of dealing with another pistol caliber.
It doesn't bring enough to the table to justify the risk of investing in pistols chambered in a round that may go the way of 9x18 Super or .356tsw in a few years.
What makes a cartridge effective is pretty well understood at this point.
It's more that 30 Super Carry is an answer to a question nobody really asked.
It doesn't bring enough to the table to justify the logistics of dealing with another pistol caliber.
It doesn't bring enough to the table to justify the risk of investing in pistols chambered in a round that may go the way of 9x18 Super or .356tsw in a few years.
When I read micro compact my mind went to Sig P238/938 size and I thought curse word yeah! Kinda like a new take on the CS series, 10 rounds and a sub $800.00 price Imma buy at least one.
smoothshooter
Member
No.
I stick to standard, easy to find calibers.
I stick to standard, easy to find calibers.
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