Would you purchase an M&P even smaller than the M&Pc? Possibly single stack?
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stasher1
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I would be all over a single stack 9mm if they'd make it about the same size as the Kahr PM/CM9 or Ruger LC9. There are times that the CM9 is just more comfortable to carry and easier to conceal than the 9c.
Jim PHL
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I'd be very interested but it's not just the frame but also the slide I'd like to see reduced. My favorite carry is my 3953. I recently bought an M&P9c and really like it a lot more than I thought I would. Even though they both have a 3.5" barrel, the 9c is slightly shorter in both length and height. My issue is that both the frame AND THE SLIDE are a little chunkier on the 9c. Not a big difference to look at, and if you actually measured it wouldn't seem like much, but IWB it does make a difference. Thinner is better for a carry gun! I know if the 9c was just a little thinner, the 3953 would be in the safe and the 9c would be in my belt. I'm sure I will carry the 9c on occasion, anyway, but if it was a little thinner it would be my 'all-the-time' carry gun.
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Hammerdown77
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I would very much like S&W to offer an M&P the size of the Glock 19/23, and carry the same number of rounds.
Their fullsize guns are pushing the limits of what I can conceal in Southern summer heat with a t-shirt, and their compact models are too small for me to run effectively in a combat scenario.
The 45 compact is close in size, but there you don't have the capacity.
Their fullsize guns are pushing the limits of what I can conceal in Southern summer heat with a t-shirt, and their compact models are too small for me to run effectively in a combat scenario.
The 45 compact is close in size, but there you don't have the capacity.
perfectcircle1
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Simply......yes
Well, Ruger does have the LC9...with the extension floor plate on the magazine, I can get all my fingers on the grip very comfortably. Also Kahr has the CW9, which is also very comfortable for me, and I can get all my fingers on the grip.
Glock has the 36, which is a single stack .45, and SA has the XDS...Ruger and S&W need to come out with something similar. Ruger and Kahr have single stack 9mms, as do several other makers...Glock, SA, and S&W need to produce something as well. The CCW market is really looking for single stack pistols.
While the M&P9c is very comfortable to me, I would really like to see something in that size with a single stack magazine and a Kahr-like trigger. That would be a sweet carry gun!
Rangel
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We'll probably eventually see 9mm 'guns' so small that they are also Zippo lighters!! 
But I think that if you're trying to shoot anything 9mm or larger out of a gun that weighs less than a pound unloaded, your hand is in for some major sting and hurt if you shoot very many rounds.
It's basic physics--lighter guns and more powerful bullets equal more challenging (and usually more painful and inaccurate) shooting.
Even the little Rorbaugh R9 (ONLY $1195!) which is 15 ounces unloaded and 18 ounces loaded (7 rds) is only able to minimize 'hurt' just a bit, because of their unique spring and a few other features (no +P ammo, etc) and they strongly suggest you replace their special spring ($5) every 200 rounds. The Rohrbaugh HQ recommends you shoot it enough to get familiar with it, and be sure your carry ammo works in it, then stop firing and carry it.
So if they can't make a small gun for that price that's comfortable enough to practice with say, shooting 50 rounds at a time, it's a tall order for any manufacturer!
For a reasonable price, even though I've never been a fanboy for Taurus, their PT709 9mm model--(the Taurus 9mm Slim), and the 40 varient the PT740 (same size & weight) are two of the better guns in this segment, coming in at about 19 oz, and they conceal rather well. I couldn't believe my gunsmith when he spoke well of them for C&C and as shooters, but as usual, he was right.
But I think that if you're trying to shoot anything 9mm or larger out of a gun that weighs less than a pound unloaded, your hand is in for some major sting and hurt if you shoot very many rounds.It's basic physics--lighter guns and more powerful bullets equal more challenging (and usually more painful and inaccurate) shooting.
Even the little Rorbaugh R9 (ONLY $1195!) which is 15 ounces unloaded and 18 ounces loaded (7 rds) is only able to minimize 'hurt' just a bit, because of their unique spring and a few other features (no +P ammo, etc) and they strongly suggest you replace their special spring ($5) every 200 rounds. The Rohrbaugh HQ recommends you shoot it enough to get familiar with it, and be sure your carry ammo works in it, then stop firing and carry it.
So if they can't make a small gun for that price that's comfortable enough to practice with say, shooting 50 rounds at a time, it's a tall order for any manufacturer!
For a reasonable price, even though I've never been a fanboy for Taurus, their PT709 9mm model--(the Taurus 9mm Slim), and the 40 varient the PT740 (same size & weight) are two of the better guns in this segment, coming in at about 19 oz, and they conceal rather well. I couldn't believe my gunsmith when he spoke well of them for C&C and as shooters, but as usual, he was right.
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EternalKnight
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I have a Kahr CM9 for carry and it has been flawless after the 200 shot suggested break-in period.
bclaus18
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I love my M&P40c, but unfortunately in some situations it is too bulky to carry concealed. That's why I went out and picked up a Beretta Nano and absolutely love it. It might not be the best range pistol there is, but thats not what I bought it for. It is easy to conceal, is an accurate shooter, and shoots the 9mm with manageable recoil. The frame was also designed, originally, for the .40 cal so I'm hoping Beretta comes out with the Nano in that caliber soon.
But to answer the question, I would purchase a S&W M&P single stack pistol. I value my S&W's greatly so I would love to own another.
But to answer the question, I would purchase a S&W M&P single stack pistol. I value my S&W's greatly so I would love to own another.
Just because YOU can't shoot a small gun well does not mean the gun is in accurate.
Bob Mundan made an awesome shot at 200 yards with a snub nose revolver, and Jerry Miculek, not to be outdone, shot a baloon at 200 yards with a snub nose, UPSIDE DOWN!
I don't consider myself a very good shot, and KNOW that I can't shoot a small gun as well as a full sized, but, I regularly shoot 2" groups offhand with my Kimber Solo, at 20 yards, which is the same size as my Bodyguard .380. The Bodyguard's trigger has to be the toughest trigger I've ever tried to shoot accurately with, and about the best I can manage with the Bodyguard is consistent head shots at 16 yards.
S&W 3913 single stack
Smith already has had a single stack 9, the 3913 or 3914. Both carry well, are flat, easy to carry, and fire any high performance 9 mm offering. It's too bad they are out of production now but can be found at lgs or gun shows. 8 round should be enough for most problems. That being said I still like my Sig 239 or my M&P 9c lots. Stay safe....
Smith already has had a single stack 9, the 3913 or 3914. Both carry well, are flat, easy to carry, and fire any high performance 9 mm offering. It's too bad they are out of production now but can be found at lgs or gun shows. 8 round should be enough for most problems. That being said I still like my Sig 239 or my M&P 9c lots. Stay safe....
I dont see why S&W would add a slim 9 when they have the Walther PPS, As a S&W guy I looked at the PPS when looking for a new auto, but went with the MP 9cause of the high cap mags, however itsto big to carry, so now I am going to go for a LC9 which has the size I
want for summer carry but its still twice as heavy as my 342PD. Oh well
want for summer carry but its still twice as heavy as my 342PD. Oh well
This. I bought and M&P9c to carry and still favor the CM9. It's just light and slim. I would love it if their was an m&P of similar size.
I actually traded in a Ruger LCP because it was so small i didnt like the way it felt in my hand , also felt a little underpowered with a 380. I had my choice narrowed down to a used XD subcompact, new M&P9C, new Glock 27 and new Walther PPS. I didnt care for used so ditched the XD, Glock didnt feel right and even though i really thought i wanted the PPS, it just felt too thin and just not right either. If it felt better than the Walther i would highly consider a smaller M&P, absolutely
