Would you submit to being carded?
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Totally off topic but....
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I have been waiting my whole life to find my people and these are them
Shoes were created in the fiery pits of Hell.
I have been waiting my whole life to find my people and these are them
Thanks everyone. I really appreciate all the opinions. I'm sorry, I guess I should have been more specific. The incident was at a Wal-Mart and the guy was carrying open. I don't know where he was, but I can only assume it was somewhere where open carry is legal. In Texas, where open carry is legal but only with a license, Wal-Mart is posted with signs saying that firearms are prohibited unless the firearm is a handgun and the person possessing the handgun is properly licensed under state law. In my opinion, the sign should also state that you may be asked to show your license. Then you can decide whether you still want to shop there or not. I also agree that whoever asks should be either LE or store security and not some general flunky who is sweeping the floor in the produce section. I would have a problem with that because that person, in most cases, does not have the authority to ask. In general, though, I still would not object to being carded if done properly. I'd just whip out my license, prove that I'm legal, then continue on my way. I usually try to stay out of Wal-Mart, though, for a multitude of other reasons having nothing to do with carrying a gun and am usually only there to buy ammo.
In a similar situation, I stopped to buy gas at a local convenience store yesterday (a place I frequent regularly). This store is posted with a sign that says the unlicensed possession of a firearm on these premises is punishable by a fine and jail time (paraphrasing). I'm sure you've seen similar signs. I was carrying open and when the clerk, who is normally very chatty, took one look at my gun, he got real quiet. He didn't object, but I guess my gun made him nervous. I guess it is just going to take time for people to realize that not everyone who walks in with a gun is there to rob them.
In a similar situation, I stopped to buy gas at a local convenience store yesterday (a place I frequent regularly). This store is posted with a sign that says the unlicensed possession of a firearm on these premises is punishable by a fine and jail time (paraphrasing). I'm sure you've seen similar signs. I was carrying open and when the clerk, who is normally very chatty, took one look at my gun, he got real quiet. He didn't object, but I guess my gun made him nervous. I guess it is just going to take time for people to realize that not everyone who walks in with a gun is there to rob them.
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hardcase60
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In Texas a person has to be at least 18 years of age to purchase tobacco products. The big box stores train the employees to ID everyone. Occasionally, even though you maybe over 65 with thinning hair and solid gray beard, you run across a really brain dead cashier that demands to see proof of age before executing the sale. I sometimes get amazed that we are not required to sign an affidavit that the purchase is for personal use.
hardcase60
scattershot
Member
Just show the thing. What's the point of causing a scene?
In Texas a person has to be at least 18 years of age to purchase tobacco products. The big box stores train the employees to ID everyone. Occasionally, even though you maybe over 65 with thinning hair and solid gray beard, you run across a really brain dead cashier that demands to see proof of age before executing the sale. I sometimes get amazed that we are not required to sign an affidavit that the purchase is for personal use.
Oh, okay. Got it. Yes, I have run across a few of those as well. I was buying some adult beverage one time and although I am obviously over 21 and look it (fat old man with greying hair and a grey goatee), I got carded. It does make you wonder about the intelligence of some of the people working at these stores. You'd think a little common sense would come into play here. However, if they are being told by their superiors to card everyone regardless, I guess the "walks like a duck, looks like a duck, quacks like a duck...it's probably a duck" never enters the mind.
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keith44spl
Member
s jest card of
I know...Sometimes it's beyond ridiculous, but
when outfits pay in peanuts....all they can get are monkeys.
What's really the sticker here is,
theys jest card for Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms.....
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In Texas a person has to be at least 18 years of age to purchase tobacco products. The big box stores train the employees to ID everyone. Occasionally, even though you maybe over 65 with thinning hair and solid gray beard,
you run across a really brain dead cashier that demands to see proof of age before executing the sale.
I sometimes get amazed that we are not required to sign an affidavit that the purchase is for personal use.
I know...Sometimes it's beyond ridiculous, but
when outfits pay in peanuts....all they can get are monkeys.
What's really the sticker here is,
theys jest card for Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms.....
.
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Retired Chief
US Veteran
Please do not come to the People's Republic of Illinois. We do not recognize any other state's concealed carry permits (except retired police officer concealed carry, and in some places you will get hassled over that!). Your gun will be confiscated (in many parts of the state, less likely in Southern Illinois) and you may well be charged with a criminal offense. We only have concealed carry in PRI because a federal judge (yay, judge!) said we had to. You can't carry on school property, at a movie theater, in a park (except state parks while participating in hunting programs or using a public range), in a mall, on public transportation, etc. etc. (Think any place there has been a mass shooting, and concealed carry is probably prohibited for all but LEOs and retired LEOs. Even then, most folks think the retired cops can't carry there, but that is NOT the law.) We have the 2d highest property taxes in the US (right after New Jersey), we have 3 former govs in federal slammers, the State hasn't had a budget since June 30, 2015, and more people are moving out of Illinois than are moving in. Gee, I wonder why?
Thanks for letting me rant.
Thanks for letting me rant.
I feel so useless and left out. I'm not even carded when I ask for an old person discount. Larry
Larry
Two completely different scenarios. In WA it's legal to open carry without a permit (in most places), therefore without probable cause, cops can only ask to see your permit during a consensual contact; however, this doesn't apply on private property, whereby the property owner or agent can ask someone open carrying for their license. If you don't produce it they can ask you to leave. Failure to do so would constitute a trespass.
Though I don't often OC, if I were on private property and asked to show my creds, I'd either politely provide them or leave with know intention of returning. For me it's never been an issue in NV, OR, WA, TN or KY.
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J. R. WEEMS
Member
With me it would probably depend on how I was ask. As noted, CCW means just that. I don't open carry for the most part-- however, I do not consider some little snot at wally world qualified to ask me the question- period. They are NOT a LEO -- I was ask years ago, when they still had them, what I was going to do with 'those bullets' when I checked out at wally world-- I kindly stated, 'none of your business' - Just the way it is. 
Harkrader
Member
Unless I really have no choice for some reason, I refuse. I just leave. If it were to occur in a business I'd be sure the manager/owner knows my money is going elsewhere.
So far it hasn't happened. No one has seen evidence of my gun unless I wanted them to. If I see a sign, I stay out, returning later without my gun to advise the manager/owner. When I've do that, it turns out the manager/owner is rabidly anti-gun and does not give a s#&% about my speech.
I do have a couple of rabidly anti-gun friends who would "out" me at any opportunity. When I go to their homes I leave my gun in my car. They will always ask if I'm carrying. I always tell them that I do not answer that question, which they've now long known. If they push it, I always, whether carrying or not, go to my car and sit in it for a couple minutes. That way they can't use their questions to expose me. It has been a couple years since I was in a public place with one. I could see she was about to say something and I just told her I'd leave if she did. She didn't.
So far it hasn't happened. No one has seen evidence of my gun unless I wanted them to. If I see a sign, I stay out, returning later without my gun to advise the manager/owner. When I've do that, it turns out the manager/owner is rabidly anti-gun and does not give a s#&% about my speech.
I do have a couple of rabidly anti-gun friends who would "out" me at any opportunity. When I go to their homes I leave my gun in my car. They will always ask if I'm carrying. I always tell them that I do not answer that question, which they've now long known. If they push it, I always, whether carrying or not, go to my car and sit in it for a couple minutes. That way they can't use their questions to expose me. It has been a couple years since I was in a public place with one. I could see she was about to say something and I just told her I'd leave if she did. She didn't.
DevilDog72
US Veteran
well...........
.... my advice, stay out of walley world...just say'n. That is just a strange place, ya seen dem pictures on the net ... right?
I aint show'n nuthin to no body... I would just as soon leave, apparently they do not need my money.
I have open carried since it became ok in Texas, no one has asked me anything... nothing.
Shucks,
I got card'd over a can of Copenhagen at wally world
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.... my advice, stay out of walley world...just say'n. That is just a strange place, ya seen dem pictures on the net ... right?
I aint show'n nuthin to no body... I would just as soon leave, apparently they do not need my money.
I have open carried since it became ok in Texas, no one has asked me anything... nothing.
Mainsail
Member
I think you missed the point there.
If I won't show it to a police officer I'm all that much less likely (which is to say, not at all) to surrender it to someone with no authority to ask for it under any circumstances.
There *are* circumstances when it must be surrendered to a police officer, not true for a store clerk under any circumstance.
I read somewhere that Walmart would ask to see the license/permit for people carrying open in their stores that sell alcohol when Texas went to Open Carry.
The wording of the "blue" signs in Texas is specified by the TABC. The signs must be posted in any store that sells alcohol (I think to take home).
I don't really understand the purpose of those signs, since they don't really mean anything. One thing I strongly doubt that they do is give store clerks authorization to verify that a gun owner is properly licensed.
Pretty much anything that Walmart sells, I can get elsewhere. I'd just leave the shopping cart and shop at a store with smarter clerks.
BTW, Target stores in Texas also have those signs as do a lot of other retail stores.
I don't really understand the purpose of those signs, since they don't really mean anything. One thing I strongly doubt that they do is give store clerks authorization to verify that a gun owner is properly licensed.
Pretty much anything that Walmart sells, I can get elsewhere. I'd just leave the shopping cart and shop at a store with smarter clerks.
BTW, Target stores in Texas also have those signs as do a lot of other retail stores.
I got carded at a gas station when buying beer (I'm in my 60's) recently,
I asked the lady, "Seriously?" she replied that it was store policy.
I told her to keep the beer and went somewhere else. (I was afraid she would see my address and follow me home)
I asked the lady, "Seriously?" she replied that it was store policy.
I told her to keep the beer and went somewhere else. (I was afraid she would see my address and follow me home)
