WOW-Ruger is taking it on the chin

[mrchuck]

I have lots of the Ruger products.
I like the company.
I also like their older model model P-345 45 auto pistol.
They stand by their product,,,, and the USA.
I like that.

 

[rwsmith]

These are adults.......

Some years back Camel cigarettes was criticized for marketing to kids with their 'Joe Camel' ads. I don't remember any LEGAL determination, but Camel did change their add strategy.

I think that this is less improper because the 'young people' they refer to are adults, a large sector of the whole of the adult population. Of course if they make any headway here they'll be pushing for further restrictions.

Having said that, I think that Ruger should alter their advertising campaign voluntarily. Marketing guns by appealing to people that a gun can make them a man or enable them to do some implied task, not hunting or recreation, to me is NOT in our best interest as responsible gun owners.

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Update:

This is in reference to the Camel ads mentioned.


R.J. Reynolds refused to acknowledge that their ads were directed toward kids, but some internal memos were uncovered that said that many people settle on a brand before the age of 18, and that they needed to get that part of the market.
In July 1997, under pressure from the impending Mangini trial, Congress, and various public-interest groups, RJR announced it would settle out of court and voluntarily end its Joe Camel campaign.


There may be some interest in these cases, But in light of the above, I think Ruger had better tread lightly. And I hope other gun manufacturers

 

[model70hunter]

Some one may have said this, if the press doesn't know, assault rifle is used in ptint.

 

[Wise_A]

The Ruger Standard, MK 1 and MK2 design is kinda based on the form of the Japanese Nambu with just a tad more quality.

Close.

Bill Ruger originally started in 1946 making very nice, high-quality hand-tools: hand drills and such. And they were excellent! Just too expensive for working men to afford.

Anyways, the goal was eventually to start making guns. Unfortunately, the Ruger Corporation went bankrupt and was dissolved in 1949. Ruger would eventually hook up with the Sturm in Sturm-Ruger, which worked out pretty well for all of us.

Anything look familiar? The majority of the Ruger Standard's frame is right there. As for the Nambu, well...I'd say the grip angle is there, and the "beavertail area".

The Nambu and Ruger have similar trigger-bar operations. And, I guess, they both have bolts. However, the Ruger uses an internal hammer to strike its firing pin. The Nambu Type 14 is actually striker-fired, with a short-recoil action. The entire barrel and upper moves forward and back as the gun is cycled!

But ultimately, bolt-operated semiautomatics were really quite common from 1900-1945 or so. Most pistol cartridges were really quite anemic (blowbacks and bolt-operated semiautomatics don't play nice with cartridges in common use today), and they're quite easy to manufacture.

That's not to undersell the importance of the Nambu's influence on the Ruger design. Most military handguns had grip angles frighteningly close to 90 degrees, which is just flat-out difficult to use. The generous trigger guard of the Nambu (especially once it was enlarged after the Japanese invasion of northern China, to allow Japanese soldiers to use the pistol without removing their gloves) is of similar importance. I'd wager that a good portion of today's better-fed shooters would have a difficult time squeezing their sausage-like fingers into the trigger guards of a WW1 European sidearm!