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Did the search on this powder.

Trying to pick something for 9mm/45ACP moderate loads as well as 45LC CASS loads. Can buy 8# for $107, or Tite Group 8# $98.80 "from the friend of a friend".....may or may not show up.

Familiar with Trail Boss, Tite Group, W231, Bullseye, Unique, Clays, 5744, the Holy Black, VV N320; a few others.

Don't understand the advantages/differences between WST/WSF.

Tips/comments?
 
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Did the search on this powder.

Trying to pick something for 9mm/45ACP moderate loads as well as 45LC CASS loads. Can buy 8# for $107, or Tite Group 8# $98.80 "from the friend of a friend".....may or may not show up.

Familiar with Trail Boss, Tite Group, W231, Bullseye, Unique, Clays, 5744, the Holy Black, VV N320; a few others.

Don't understand the advantages/differences between WST/WSF.

Tips/comments?
 
WST is a fast burning powder suitable for light to moderate loads. No 13 on the burn rate chart I have handy, which makes it faster than Clays.

WSF is a medium burning rate powder suitable for medium to heavy (non-magnum) loads. No 92 on that chart, which puts it slower than Unique.

Do you have Winchester load data? If not, it is now on the Hodgdon website, since they distribute Winchester and IMR powders along with their own.
 
If you're expecting it to meter good you may be disappointed. It doesn't meter good at the 5.0 gr level and I don't consider it to be good at the 8.0 gr level.

Here's what I got in a comparison I did last year.

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Yes, my scale will read .02 gr.
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I respectfully disagree with Paul on WSF, and do not find it to be the case that it meters inconsistently. It is a fine grain powder with high density that meters very well, with the right metering system, especially compared to something like Unique.

I have been using it almost exclusively for nearly 10 years for general purpose revolver and pistol loads for both cast and some jacketed bullets in 38SP, 357 Mag, 38/40WCF, 40S&W, 10MM, 44SP, 44 Mag, 45ACP, 45AR and 45 Colt. I find it to be a very accurate, clean burning, consistent powder, and accurate measuring at least when thrown from my Hornady L-N-L presses using a small pistol rotor (I started using it in an older Hornady Pro-Jector before the LNL and it was even consistent in that).

My favorite 45ACP target load is 7.0 gr WSF, WLP and a 185gr cast LSWC. Also, 6.8-7.0gr and a Hornady 200gr JTC bullet is a superb target load. Either one of those will shoot 2-3" groups at 50 yards in a number of 45ACP guns that I own. The same load also is good in 45AR. I enjoy watching guys at the range when I shoot those; they are convinced I must be a really good shooter. I load Rem or Win 230FMJ with 6.6gr WSF for a standard ball load.

For 45 Colt CAS loads, I use 9.5-10.0gr WSF and a 250 or 255gr cast or swaged lead bullet. This load is also acceptable in Winchester '73 and ’92 rifles based on my use in them, although I recommend starting at 9.0 and staying around the 9.5gr level in the ’73 if you are getting a good enough seal, and would not recommend exceeding 10 grains with that bullet weight in a '73. You can also use a 200gr bullet with the same charge but it will leave a lot of black carbon smudges on the case (the upper limit with a hard cast bullet is well above that in a Win ’92 or a strong revolver like a Vaquero, but you exceed CAS velocity levels).

WSF is a good powder for many applications, especially with lead bullets, or jacketed bullets in auto pistol cartridges. It is far and away my best powder in 40S&W.

Send me a PM if you have any questions about other loads and I'll be glad to share my experiences with WSF. Many of the loads are unpublished, including the 45 Colt load above. However, I’ve been a handloader for over 40 years and do not take lightly what works or does not based on popular belief, but rather find out for myself, empirically and through a combination of published data, development, chrono evaluation and field experimentation. That’s what being a scientist does to you. Nor do I suggest anyone undertake any load recommendation without due consideration of their abilities and experience with handloading, understanding of the cautions and risks inherent, and with the full understanding that they are assuming total responsibility for their actions in undertaking any handloading activity or load consideration. There, now with that out of the way, there are a lot of good loads out there yet to be tried.
 
Thanks one and all!!!

Just what I need....another power to fiddle with....
 
In my experience, Winchester Super Target is slower than Clays (not Universal Clays) in .45 acp. For example, with a 230gr lead round nose bullet, 3.7gr Clays and 4.2gr WST yield about the same velocities. With 200gr lead round nose bullets, 4.3gr Clays (recommended max load) does not reach major power factor while 4.9 to 5.1gr WST gets there easily. WST is a light colored powder that has a medium density and meters quite well in my RCBS Uniflow. It works well with lead bullets.

I also used WST a bit in 9mm, using data published on CZ Forum. It got sketchy at higher pressures and there was no data published for it in 9mm by Winchester or in other loading manuals. I decided to switch to powders with published data for 9mm.

Turning to Winchester Super Field, it is a dark colored, denser ball powder that meters very well in my Uniflow. I use it exclusively with 9mm 115gr and 124gr full metal jacketed loads. It has a reputation for being an accurate propellant in 9mm and .40.


I tried WSF in my .45acp revolver with both lead and copper plated 200gr bullets. Extreme velocity spreads were between 100fps and 150 fps for six rounds. I decided that it is just too slow for low pressure cartridges like .45 acp.

Chris
 
I checked some powder tonight for its metering abilities. Here's what they look like, using the same setting on the Uniflo for all throws.

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Bullseye had a 2.4% error. WSF had 1.7% error and TiteGroup had a 1.8% error (figured on the average weight).

That would indicate to me there's no appreciable difference in ball powders compared to Bullseye. Perhaps there would have been more or less error if I had checked another series with the hopper half full or if I had adjusted the Bullseye loads for the same weight as the ball powders?
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I must have been in a hurry, the Hi for Titegroup should have been 5.64 instead of 5.6
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I sue the faster burning WST in 32 S&W Long, 40 S&W low velocity loads, and 45 ACP. I use the medium burning WSF in all my 9mm loads.
 
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