You can't have it both ways!

I wonder if there is a realization that most of the people running and working in the education system are our generations or the previous generations children.

Yes ... they are largely the segment of our generation that "ate it with a spoon".
I have one such individual to observe at distance.
Mine was a life of critical thinking and rejection of the propaganda I was fed. His was a life of acceptance of all doctrine.
He thinks Antifa has a noble function in our society.
He is a councilor in a school system, perpetuating the problem.
I no longer feel so bad about the line drive he took to the snot box in little league.
 
I've worked in public schools for almost 20 years now. There's plenty to say on the topic but if you think that schools are just indoctrination centers they are not. Turn off the news and go visit a school.

Go see just how checked out the modern student is. The majority could care less about anything other than their phones, social circle, sports etc. They are held to almost no standards and mommy and daddy come in to defend their little boopsie no matter how guilty or deficient their child is.

Crappy parents tend to make crappy kids.
 
There is one big difference between now and when we all went to school.

We were taught how to think, which allowed us to find a successful path in life.

Today's youth are taught what to think.

There is a big difference.

Looking back, telling us what to think was alive a well in the British education system of the 1970s, at least in my high school.
 
My Father was one of those "rare birds." He was an extremely popular history teacher. First faculty member inducted into my alma mater's Hall of Fame. He chaired the social studies department of the very large high school I attended. He retired "early" after almost 40 years of teaching because he was increasingly disenchanted with the quality of students passing through his classroom. He attributed it to "school no longer being considered the child's job." (Their first priority)

Too many kids, he explained, were working late at the mall on weekdays (usually to pay for their car), no longer having dinner with the family around the kitchen table most nights, overburdened with extracurricular activities, and not demonstrating the curiosity so essential to exploring learning (possibly due to too little sleep). He believed that kids, and families, should consider school as a child's full-time responsibility, their job, and act accordingly. The family had to value education or the kid was doomed to mediocrity.

There are so many more distractions today than when my Dad retired it'd make his head swim. All the things he thought distracted from concentrating on education have become more numerous and pervasive.

We strive to ensure our son considers school his number one job - he's entering his sophomore year of high school next week. He does work but only on Saturday nights at a local bar & grill as a short-order cook and food prep. He loves his job and takes it seriously. And he makes it to Sunday School and Church the next morning.

For the last month he also leaves the house at 6:30AM for cross-country practice, comes home for a shower and a quick bite, and gets to marching band rehearsal by 9:00 where he stays until after 4:00PM. Busy kid; and school doesn't start until next Wednesday.

I occasionally lament about how my "idyllic" childhood is simply not available for my son. Then the reality sets in that virtually nothing about my "perfect" childhood would, or could, prepare my son for his own future. He's working on a cursive signature because he has to endorse his paychecks - my wife and I used to use cursive as code when we didn't want him to read something. Still works but we don't hold many secrets anymore - and he types faster than me and I'm pretty good.

Bottom line is we've been fortunate to raise an outstanding young man because we've ordered things so he knows his biggest, and virtually only, responsibility is his education. Once he's completed all necessary steps to doing more than required for making grades, and actually learning something, he gets to go on to something else (like confounded video gaming). He's not as curious about as many things as I'd ideally like but compared to his classmates he's an explorer.

Education, it seems to me, is a bit like medical care. If you don't manage it, and allow someone else to, you get what you get. If you gain a little understanding, take charge guiding and managing the process, the results are sure to be more satisfactory.

Bryan
 
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Correct

It was my choice, not to acquire a formal education, but instead I chose to attend the 'school of hard knocks'.

I've given this thread serious thought, as to what a school teacher should teach.

The biased opinions of our members appall me. In my opinion, it's a school teacher's duty, to teach anything they possibly can to help their student succeed in anything worthwhile, that's essential to that student, and our society. If school teachers aren't being paid to teach their students, what are they being paid to do?

In comparison, I was held accountable for my decisions, and actions while working at my job, and lives literally depended on them.

For the people of any society that choose to live as our animals do. I believe that they will again be livings in caves or burrows again.

I don't consider being taught the addition, subtraction, and multiplication tables abuse. Furthermore, I'll still be able to calculate, if my calculator is lost or out of commission.

If our societies', intellect continues to digress, I predict that using X for a signature will be in vogue again.

Chubbo
 
in the 1990's and in my 40's I went back to school (Community College) and was asked if I would consider tutoring others because of my math skills. I was shocked to find that the students I was given did not understand even basic math. I had one that could only multiply by using a chart and another that used needing a tutor as an excuse than immediately dropped out when given one. These were high school graduates in a Community College satting
 
I've worked in public schools for almost 20 years now. There's plenty to say on the topic but if you think that schools are just indoctrination centers they are not. Turn off the news and go visit a school.

Go see just how checked out the modern student is. The majority could care less about anything other than their phones, social circle, sports etc. They are held to almost no standards and mommy and daddy come in to defend their little boopsie no matter how guilty or deficient their child is.

Crappy parents tend to make crappy kids.

Saw a few kids transition from Catholic schools to public.
The result was a fairly uniform equivalent of seeing Ferraris put onto a demolition derby to make them as worthless as the Smart four two's already in progress.
All that grace, beauty and power mercilessly flogged into model freaks of the latest cause.
The ones who were able to remain in the alternative catholic system turned out far better.
 
I believe public schools are a result of the public they directly serve. Our school produces lots of kids that score very high on the SATs and the national averages. But then our community engages in and supports our schools and teachers. Daughter #1 will be a senior this year, she has gotten all As except for 1 B. She is ranked about 30 out of 96. Daughter #2 will be a junior and has never gotten anything but As and she is tied for #1 with 17 others in her class of about 85. I know several of the teachers, we have had bon fires at our place for kids and sometimes a teacher or 2 will show up for a bit.

Both the girls and a bunch of others got fired up by the band teacher about having a Jazz band. They all went to school a hour early to practice, then, they started playing in the hall way at lunch time one a week. They had their first paying gig this summer and did outstanding.

If the people engage their kids, schools and teachers and have a community people want to live and work in the public school system works.

There is a very small public school about 50 miles north of here with a well off benefactor, if a kid goes there 3 years and graduated he pays their tuition at a state university as long as they keep passing grades.
 
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I believe it's the system and the kid. But I also think it's the parents. While I've lost a lot of respect for our educational system it starts at home. Kids are not as respectful or focused as we were. In my day if a teacher contacted mom & dad . I was in big trouble. Now days the parents defend the kid and become confrontational with the teacher. It's crazy.
 
instead of gloating about how good we are with fractions?

No one was gloating about possessing fifth grade math skills. The point of the thread was that a grown man was doing a job for which he was not qualified (albeit a simple job), he made no effort to remedy the situation, and his employer made allowances for it rather than train him to be better at his job.
 
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My daughter teaches English Lit to juniors and seniors in high school. She asked them recently to write their signatures on a piece of paper. Every student except one printed their name! They had no idea how to sign their name in cursive. She told them if they couldn't write in cursive, they should at least develop a signature. Several replied, "What for?".

I did a lot of writing in my previous career. Much easier and faster to print.

Had a supervisor that needed our signature on some new procedures that were being implemented. He said he couldn't read my writing. I called him a moron saying that it is my signature and is accepted on loans and mortgages. Never heard a peep out of him since.
 
Sorry but current situation regarding todays young folks failures are due to lack of or poor parents. Then add what they get drilled into their heads at school, Wa La!! we have what we have. nuf sed.

Reminds me of a woman screaming at her school board that they weren't teaching her child values. Yep, if I didn't see it I wouldn't have believed people were that stupid.
 
Being a retired teacher, 33 years in a vocational field, the biggest change I saw was parents slowly quit working with teachers to meet goals of their children. Instead of helping meet education goals, teachers were now blamed for all in regards to the students, not only educational but all aspects of life. My view for what it is worth.

Best teachers I had were ones that treated everyone fairly in the classroom. The worst teacher I had was one who berated me in front of everyone because I wasn't anything like my older brother who preceded me by 2 years.

Don't know how things work now but parents and teachers got together in the early to middle grades when I was in school. Nowadays it seems that ones only recourse if with the school board but I'm guessing.
 
I wonder if there is a realization that most of the people running and working in the education system are our generations or the previous generations children.

The teachers that I had in the 50's and 60's would never have put up with the garbage going on today.
 
I've worked in public schools for almost 20 years now. There's plenty to say on the topic but if you think that schools are just indoctrination centers they are not. Turn off the news and go visit a school.

Go see just how checked out the modern student is. The majority could care less about anything other than their phones, social circle, sports etc. They are held to almost no standards and mommy and daddy come in to defend their little boopsie no matter how guilty or deficient their child is.

Crappy parents tend to make crappy kids.

I believe a lot of teachers have the students education in the forefront but all too often we hear of the physical confrontations that occur between teacher and student. That begins at home and is why there's a need for police/security being present in so many schools
 
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