Your in a auto accident and injured, wonder what happens to your gun

[TAC]

I'm not sure how this would be handled in Michigan, where hospitals are Pistol Free Zones. Under State Law, it would be illegal for your pistol be taken by anyone, into the Hospital, let alone, stored there, even briefly.

Also, a security guard, under State Law, would not be allowed to touch your pistol in any way, even briefly, unless they had a CPL (Concealed Pistol License). Hospital security guards are not armed, so it's very likely they do not have a CPL.

The only solution, I can think would be to call the police, and let them take custody of it. So I guess you'd have to lay on a gurney in the parking lot, until they arrived.

 

[KSDeputy]

I never thought about it, but it is in a fanny pack with my badge, etc. I expect someone would take proper care of it.

 

[rwt1405]

Why? What is it that worries you about it?

Having 37 years in EMS, the last 32 as a career Paramedic, I will give the reasons for the area's (laws may differ state to state) I work in.

In the state I work full time it is illegal for anyone other then an ON DUTY LEO (notice the ON DUTY) to carry a firearm in an ambulance.

Other then the law, it is not a good idea to have any patient carrying a firearm, due to any (or potential) change in mental status, I hope for obvious reasons.

As such, if I find a patient "carrying", I simply (and quietly) inform a LEO and have them take possession of it.

On the rare chance that it is found enroute to hospital, I will take possession of it, and secure it until I am able to transfer it to hospital security or an LEO.

 

[Smoke]

In Dec 2006, a woman ran a red light and T-Boned us and pinned me in the driver's seat with a fractured pelvis. I remember the responding officer asking if I was armed and where it was. He retrieved it and it was tagged and bagged and kept in their evidence room until several months later when I recovered enought to go retreive it. All they required was valid ID and that I sign a receipt to clear it off their books. Even got back all the ammo!

What kind of shape was it in after spending all that time in a bag?

 

[Smoke]

Well, all I know is that it is illegal(as in Federal) to take a gun into a hospital... Ya' thunk!...

Dude, you really should put a little more T&E into research.

 

[Smoke]

As a Paramedic, I wouldn't allow a non-LEO firearm in My ambulance. I would expect PD to take custody of the weapon.

Yup, way too much liability involved.

 

[TAC]

To further complicate matters, in Michigan, it is legal to carry a handgun in a hospital, providing you have a CPL (Concealed Weapons Permit), as long as you are open carrying, and not concealed carrying.

Wait, what? Yes, that's what I said.

 

[tirod]

One of my first jobs was a tow truck driver. I can attest that once the vehicle is placed in storage and the lights go out, it will be searched by people close by who watch the facility and ransacked. Our location was right inside the downtown section with no fencing. Anybody could get to it and many times they did. I've asked other wrecker drivers about their security and even with dogs in the fence things disappear.

I also worked as an MP and have my CCW, first and foremost if you remove your weapon from your body and store it in the vehicle then I have ask what was wrong about the way you carry? You shouldn't have to place your gun somewhere it's not ready to hand if you live in a CCW state, and most of us do. Putting your gun out of reach basically means you don't think you need it - why did you bring it along? Keep it in your holster. If that holster doesn't work for driving, then it's the wrong holster. Get one that works better, or more importantly, that carries in a different place that allows access and retention. I would strongly suggest a shoulder holster, and if it means wearing it under a shirt, fine. Better with a gun than no gun. Better the EMT's find it and place it with your personal items, like cell phone and wallet, than it being somewhere in a tumbled car than hit the roof and nothing is where it belongs. Once that car is off the hook in storage I can guarantee it will be found and you will never see it again.

In case of an accident the EMT's and cops will help you retain possession of your firearm if they find it on you, rather then them never know up to the point the car is stored and you never see it again. It's not the tow truck drivers (mostly) and not anyone who is at the scene. It's the neighbors of the tow truck who know for a fact your fresh car just got in the lot - and might be ripe for the pickings. Dog or not. Fence or not. Not every tow lot springs for fencing and security, most are on rotation, and you don't get to choose who in many cases.

Keep it on you and as soon as a public employee finds it then chain of custody comes into play and it is for your benefit.

 

[HorizontalMike]

HUH? Age Limit for Input?

Dude, you really should put a little more T&E into research.

Yeah, and JUST try to [prove that you are carrying for "hunting" later. Yup, good luck with THAT.

BTW, I am quite aware of military/VA regulations (versus "policies"). Those who live the dailies are NOT necessarily the same as your co-horts, just saying...

At least I live actually in AMERICA.

 

[The Big D]

Huh?

You, HorizontalMike, are the one who posted it was a violation of Federal law to carry in a hospital.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Be safe.

Yeah, and JUST try to [prove that you are carrying for "hunting" later. Yup, good luck with THAT.

BTW, I am quite aware of military/VA regulations (versus "policies"). Those who live the dailies are NOT necessarily the same as your co-horts, just saying...

At least I live actually in AMERICA.

 

[Smoke]

Yeah, and JUST try to [prove that you are carrying for "hunting" later. Yup, good luck with THAT.

BTW, I am quite aware of military/VA regulations (versus "policies"). Those who live the dailies are NOT necessarily the same as your co-horts, just saying...

At least I live actually in AMERICA.

Could you maybe translate this into English?

When did Colorado secede ?

 

[Muss Muggins]

You, HorizontalMike, are the one who posted it was a violation of Federal law to carry in a hospital.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Be safe.

I'm gonna guess now, after reading and attempting to understand that followup post, that he was referring to a VA hospital, in which case he'd be correct . . .

 

[The Big D]

???

Just read the entire thread, anew. No VA references heretofore.

Be safe.

I'm gonna guess now, after reading and attempting to understand that followup post, that he was referring to a VA hospital, in which case he'd be correct . . .

 

[steelslaver]

In Montana you can have your truck or car stacked with loaded guns of any description except those restricted by federal law and don't have to prove anything except that your sober. I am sure a LEOs and 95% of anybody coming to your aid would look after them for me. If I ended up in the ER with a gun at some point I would probably end up in a pleasant gun discussion with a doctor. My eye doctor and I discussed sight visibility for my cataract surgery and he invited me back to his office to show his some of my custom knives. When I showed up he looked them over right in the waiting room and no one even blinked an eye. LOL.

In a wreck I am going to be more worried about passengers and self.

 

[HorizontalMike]

VA Hospitals

I'm gonna guess now, after reading and attempting to understand that followup post, that he was referring to a VA hospital, in which case he'd be correct . . .

Correct, I am speaking about a VA Hospital.

The VA is an animal in and of itself, its own nation-government (in all practicality) if you will. Reading VA regulations, it becomes obvious that the VA does what it wants, even if a State/Federal Law may say otherwise. For instance, weapons in parked cars in a VA Parking lot are not specifically addressed...

By Texas State Law parking lots are NOT defined as "premises" yet the VA treats them as if they actually "were" part of the building/premises. Just saying...

Hence my sarcasm in earlier post about convincing the VA about anything.


Texas Penal Code § 46.035. Unlawful Carrying of Handgun by License Holder
........
(3) "Premises" means a building or a portion of a building. The term does not include any public or private driveway, street, sidewalk or walkway, parking lot, parking garage, or other parking area.


38 CFR 1.218 - Security and law enforcement at VA facilities.
§ 1.218 Security and law enforcement at VA facilities.

(a) Authority and rules of conduct. Pursuant to 38 U.S.C. 901, the following rules and regulations apply at all property under the charge and control of VA (and not under the charge and control of the General Services Administration) and to all persons entering in or on such property. The head of the facility is charged with the responsibility for the enforcement of these rules and regulations and shall cause these rules and regulations to be posted in a conspicuous place on the property.
.....
(13) Weapons and explosives. No person while on property shall carry firearms, other dangerous or deadly weapons, or explosives, either openly or concealed, except for official purposes.

 

[Muss Muggins]

Just read the entire thread, anew. No VA references heretofore.

Be safe.

The Big D: You musta missed this one. I agree that it's a vague reference at best, but in law enforcement, we used to call that a "clue" . . .

Yeah, and JUST try to [prove that you are carrying for "hunting" later. Yup, good luck with THAT.

BTW, I am quite aware of military/VA regulations (versus "policies"). Those who live the dailies are NOT necessarily the same as your co-horts, just saying...

At least I live actually in AMERICA.

 

[Muss Muggins]

I agree. They are inflexible. Once had a brief "discussion" with a VA police officer and his boss about bringing my gun, my associate's gun, and our car with guns just onto the property, not even into the main building. They learned some new words, including the definition of "official purposes," and got to sit down with their boss for an inservice while I went about my business . . .

Correct, I am speaking about a VA Hospital.

The VA is an animal in and of itself, its own nation-government (in all practicality) if you will. Reading VA regulations, it becomes obvious that the VA does what it wants, even if a State/Federal Law may say otherwise. For instance, weapons in parked cars in a VA Parking lot are not specifically addressed...

By Texas State Law parking lots are NOT defined as "premises" yet the VA treats them as if they actually "were" part of the building/premises. Just saying...

Hence my sarcasm in earlier post about convincing the VA about anything.


Texas Penal Code § 46.035. Unlawful Carrying of Handgun by License Holder
........
(3) "Premises" means a building or a portion of a building. The term does not include any public or private driveway, street, sidewalk or walkway, parking lot, parking garage, or other parking area.


38 CFR 1.218 - Security and law enforcement at VA facilities.
§ 1.218 Security and law enforcement at VA facilities.

(a) Authority and rules of conduct. Pursuant to 38 U.S.C. 901, the following rules and regulations apply at all property under the charge and control of VA (and not under the charge and control of the General Services Administration) and to all persons entering in or on such property. The head of the facility is charged with the responsibility for the enforcement of these rules and regulations and shall cause these rules and regulations to be posted in a conspicuous place on the property.
.....
(13) Weapons and explosives. No person while on property shall carry firearms, other dangerous or deadly weapons, or explosives, either openly or concealed, except for official purposes.

 

[austinjeane]

I'm more worried about my underwear than my gun!

 

[HorizontalMike]

I'm more worried about my underwear than my gun!

WHUT?! And you don't carry a "reload" pair of undies?

 

[OFT II]

Are they + pee rated?