your 'run for your life' guns

Originally posted by SuperMan:
Running for the hills vs. Driving for the hills would require two different sets of guns.

If I am Running, as in what I have in my backpack is all I can take with me then one has to consider ammunition weight and bulk. If this is the case then I'll be taking two guns both chambered for .22 Magnum and 1-2K rounds of ammo. The guns would be a S&W M48 4" and would throw in the extra Long Rifle cylinder just in case. The other would be a Ruger 77/.22 Magnum bolt gun with three extra magazines. The rifle is the All-Weather stainless steel model and has a 3 power Leupold scope and Williams peepsight.

If I am running in a truck and I may have to confront others who also may be in vehicles then I would choose a AK47 with the underfolding stock. Using steel core ammo it will hurt people inside vehicles... The handgun would probably be a S&W 6906. I carried that gun for 10 years on duty and it is now my house gun. Night sights, lots of extra magazines, easy to shoot, easy to carry and in 5K+ rounds only one failure to cycle and that was a bad round not the guns fault. Plus one can beg borrow, barter or steal 9mm ammo anywhere in the world...

Bob

Bob, I would have thought you'd pick one of your 1911 38 Supers or one of your Mod 58s....

Per aliens, to use an oft quoted movie line...
"Resistance is useless"...delivered in a monotone.
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Daily carry 629 5" classic and Springfield Armory M1A - but I ain't runnin' anywhere,
come and get me!
 
Every one I can get in the truck.
 
Originally posted by 44splfan:
Justbob- outstanding post thanks. If there are any additional books you consider usefull and "realistic" please share. I've seen my share of bullshit books over the years and have pretty much given up weeding through crap in order to glean some knowledge.

best,
Greg

Thanks for your kind words, and you are quite welcome.

Generally speaking, the "survival/survivalist" books leave a lot to be desired. Sorry, friends, but as much as we'd like to believe we are the love child born of the perfect union of Red Dawn, Rambo, and The Road, it just ain't so.
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READ READ READ READ. Movies and TV are made for movies and TV, not for real life reality, living.

Off the soap box. You asked for authors and titles. I'll be happy to annotate or answer any questions I can. I grabbed the following off the bookshelf as a start:

Boehm, Erich H. We Survived: Fourten Histories of the Hidden and Hunted in Nazi Germany. Cambridge: Westview, ed. 2003. [EXCELLENT edge-of-seat reading]

Caine, Philip D. Aircraft Down! Evading Capture in WWII Europe. Dulles: Barssey's, 1997. [Very good]

Cooke, Alistair. The American Homefront: 1941-1942. London: Penguin, 2006. [EXCELLENT]

Egan, Timothy. The Worst Hard Time: The Untold Story of Those Who Survived The Great American Dustbowl. New York: Houghton, 2006. [Destined to become a CLASSIC must-read. MANY parallels to current US society. This is a book that makes you breathe deep and go "wow."]

Gonzales, Laurence. Deep Survival: Who Lives, Who Dies, and Why. London: Norton, 2003. [EXCELLENT and essential reading--VERY HIGHLY recommended]

Gross, Jan T. Neighbors: The Destruction of the Jewish Community in Jedwabne, Poland. New York: Princeton, 2001. [Good, but best with a grain of salt]

Howarth, David. We Die Alone: A WWII Epic of Escape and Endurance. Guilford: First Lyons, ed. 1999. [An AMAZING, CLASSIC must-read, Jack London on steroids. Really. Goes with Rawicz, below.]

Miller, William Ian. The Mystery of Courage. Cambridge: Harvard, ed. 2002. [EXCELLENT in the vein of Hart's classic work Strategy. ]

O'Donnell, Patrick K. Operatives, Spies, and Saboteurs: The Unkown Story of WWII's OSS. New York: Citadel, 2004. [A fun, informative, and oftentimes very exciting read.]

Rawicz, Slavomir. The Long Walk: The True Story Of A Trek To Freedom. Guilford: First Lyons, ed. 1997.
[An AMAZING, CLASSIC must-read; Jack London on steroids. Really. Goes with Howarth, above.]
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Amazon usually has all of the above titles in stock if you want to pick them up on the cheap. MOST public libraries have an inter-library loan/search program and can get them if you ask!

If you are fortunate enough to find or know someone who lived through a war "in theater," do yourself a favor and LISTEN if they are willing to talk to you. Not just combat or "-war era" vets, but and especially CIVILIANS. These folks did not just survive, they persevered and prevailed and oftentimes under conditions that were worse than those experienced by the soldiers fighting the battles.

REPEAT AFTER ME: "I am not a Special Forces Soldier, Recon Marine, Navy SEAL, or Airman.

Combatants engage in combant; civilians endure it. Think about how they did that when you make your own preparations for whatever it is you are preparing for.
 
thanks Justbob,
I'm sure that last post took some time!
I already ordered Cody Lundin "When all Hell breaks loose.." from Amazon, can't wait to get it, the Amazon preview of it looks like it should be a good read.
 
All you guys grabing ARs. If the GIs are having trouble with "insurgents" in the sand box. What do you think you are going to be able to do againt Aliens from space.
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Seriously, real world, rifle---16" DSA FAL, pistol---Browning HP, Knife---Randall 14

Choices reflect militarily available amunition.
 
If this had happened prior to the tragic boating accident....

Me: Glock 19, Mini 14
Her: 686+ (+P 38's), Marlin 1894C
 
Bob, I would have thought you'd pick one of your 1911 38 Supers or one of your Mod 58s....


..when it comes to "normal" everyday life it is one thing... When I have to "run for it" it is a very different set of rules.

I also own, but only use for teaching purposes, a Glock 19 that I forgot all about. It would be a good choice, maybe even better than the 6906. But the 6906 is a little lighter and easier to carry than the BoxyGlock...

Bob
 
i would grab my smith and wesson z frame 12 guage revolver. beats the heck out of that girly little taurus judge
 
I would let the aliens levitate me up into the belly of their spacecraft with their tractor beam, all the while concealing my fully loaded, trusty Brazilian Model 1917 .45 ACP and a pocket full of hotloaded moon clips. About the time they start the "probing," I would probe as many of their oversized noggin's as possible with extreme prejudice...
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Originally posted by Nanook 450:
I'd rather be abducted by aliens than choose only two. That good looking green woman that Captain Kirk had relations with comes to mind . . .

Beam me up!

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Originally posted by target tech:
All you guys grabing ARs. What do you think you are going to be able to do againt Aliens from space.
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Hah! Believe me, that was considered. For myself, I dunno that even my tuned Garand would do anything to space traveling aliens. Who knows if even that .50 Browning would? But, I'm more worried about getting past bad people and out of town. So I picked reliable guns that use commonly found lightweight ammo for walking.

If we had a vehicle, then I changed to a Garand and an 8 shot .357 revolver while keeping that "good" .223. We also have fewer magazine issues to worry about with this choice. The truck or car can carry a lot more ammo, and the camping gear, and extra clothes, and meds, and so on. If we were at the cabin then we would have all this stuff with us, and we'd just stay there.

Besides, I don't have a .50 BMG. snif snif.....
 
My ammo bearer totes the .223 ammo box with 105 loaded moonclips, I'll have the 625JM and probably a 627 Pro, with lots of .38/.357M ammo. Come on, Zombies!

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Stainz
 
94 winny,sw-M19 ,97 winny roit for truck Few 100 rds for each.
 
I got the Cody Lundin book "When all Hell Breaks Loose" from Amazon, and my wife and boys are all fighting to see who will get a chance to read it first! Good read, not the usual bullshit.

Which brought us back to this thread, my wife said she wanted to keep her BPS 20ga bird gun close by. My boys each have a Henry 22 rifle, and they squabbled over each grabbing one of Dads revolvers. My brother was at the house last night and decided he was going to grab my Browning Citori for birds and deer. My 16 yr old claimed my 870 slug gun, but said he wanted the smothbore 20" bbl for squirrels and such also.
In all, we had a pretty entertaining conversation over some pizzas and beer regarding being ready for power outages, etc. And my wife is out today doing some shopping for stuff like candles hurricane lamps, and canned goods. Cody's book has really opened our eyes regarding some essentials we take for granted and are unprepared for....

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Moms selection-
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Kids and brother Marks selection-
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I guess I'm left with security detail...
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Beam me up!
It appears some sort of probing would be required here...

My SHTF guns would be a Remington 870 and an XD45. Of course I've got my 640-1 in my IWB so that's a gimme.

Something to think about regarding the long guns: you folks have slings for them, or you gonna carry them by hand? How about the ammo? I've got to think about this myself...
 
you folks have slings for them, or you gonna carry them by hand? How about the ammo? I've got to think about this myself...

Nick,
Most of my deer guns have slings, but a functional sling can be made in a pinch with a length of heavy string/rope (my old man did it with my 22 every time we went out in the woods to plink when I was a kid).
And, to be honest, I'm not leaving the house, so I'm not carrying anything. I have food, beds, a heat source, shelter, candles, water, etc. We're gonna stick tight and ride it out right in our little castle.
 
I guess if it's two one would be my Sig Model P226 in 40 S&W and the other would be my SKS that takes AK magazines.

Probably wouldn't leave though as I have everything I need plus more more fire power at the homestead.
 
Originally posted by swdassoc:
I'll send the wife and son out the door and into the bull mountains to the relatives ranch. I'll grab the mini-14 and my model 19 4" 357 drop the prepacked black sea bags in the bed truck and head after them. Come to think of it the ammo has been in those bags for over a year, maybe I should change it out.

I pray that it doesn't come to that but ignorance is for liberals.

s.
Bull moutains...You in Montana??
 
I'm too old and too stubborn to leave. This isn't the best place to defend, but the next one (the retirement place in Tennessee) will be better.

I guess I feel a bit like the 82nd Airborne soldier in Normandy who was ordered to hold a crossroads. When told by a retreating sergeant, "The Germans are right behind us", he replied, "Don't worry, Sarge, the bastards aren't coming any farther!"

Buck
 
Assuming my wife goes to; although sometimes she gets left to the aliens. I grab the AK already in a traveling case with 4 30 round mags, also the spare Mag pouch with 5 more 30 rounders. A Kimber .45 with 4 spare mags. She goes with the Mossburg 590 (we'll leave her H&R .22 and trick her into carrying a 2.5" 66). I'll sneak a box of .357s for me, she can use my speed loaders full of .38s.
 
I'd take my Remington 870 with a bird barrel and a slug barrel, my .44 3rd Model HE, and, if I had a car or truck, my Mosin Nagant M38.

shotgunguy
 
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