Your Spanish S&W copies - let's see 'em!

[Goony]

J. L. Galef & Son, Inc.

An importer known mostly for its association with Beretta. They did deal in revolvers made by Orbea Hermanos, although I don't think yours in one of those, but rather the product of some other (likely very obscure) Eibar firm. Regardless, it looks to be pretty nicely finished and in outstanding condition, and being chambered for .38 Special is also a plus.

It's interesting that it's marked as a model of 1924, since I believe the government's requirement for marking country of origin changed from just "Spain" to "Made in Spain" in 1923. It probably dates to the 1920's in any case.

 

[had3nuf]

Thats the exact crest thats on the frame, I bought it as a novelty it didn't cost much, I just remember seeing this post last month and thought I would see if you had seen one. It cycles in DA and SA but if you wiggle the cylinder you can get it to rotate clockwise looking from behind the hammer, so I'll never shoot it, it doesn't have a side plate so all the internals have to be accessed thru the trigger guard. Oh well something to talk about.

 

[Jimmy L]

This is an "Escodin". Supposed to be .32 Winchester from 1924.

I have one that looks identical with same markings in the same location (but not as clear as these),although mine is .38 long (that marking is clear).It has numbers stamped on major components with a different number and a letter stamped on the butt.Could any one tell me what these numbers represent.

 

[Goony]

I have one that looks identical with same markings in the same location (but not as clear as these),although mine is .38 long (that marking is clear).It has numbers stamped on major components with a different number and a letter stamped on the butt.Could any one tell me what these numbers represent.

First off, welcome to the forum.

With an older Smith & Wesson, the answer is simple - some of the numbers on components (yoke, inside the yoke recess and sideplate) are merely for reference during the manufacturing process, while the all-important serial number is on the butt, as well as the underside of the barrel, the rear face of the cylinder, and the backside of the extractor.

With a Spanish copy, these guidelines may not apply. Posting some photos of the various markings could help us in sorting their significance out. I would, generally speaking, still expect the number on the butt to be the serial number, but without seeing it, I can't rule out that it's a some sort of rack or property number instead.

 

[ColorBAT]

Euskaro Look Alike (I think)

I have an "old" S&W Look alike that I think was made by Euskaro. It is a 5-shot 38-Special, top break, nickel plated, pearl handle revolver. I have attached pictures below. It has a distintive "trade mark" stamped on it. The {nickel ?)plating is too badly deterioated to be able to clearly read the markings on top of the barrel, but I think it says "Smith & Wesson Cartridges and those that fit Best the Euskaro Revolver". It appears to still be in firing condition, although I have NOT fired it.

Can anybody help me with any additional information about this gun?

[email protected]

Thanks in advance....
Darryl

 

[Goony]

So far as I can tell from various sources, the "Euskaro" marking is some sort of general appellation that was applied to various types of revolvers made by numerous different makers. I'm not sure which of those this particular trademark denotes, but I wouldn't be surprised if the "H" component stands for "hermanos" (Spanish for "brothers") as part of the company name, and there were several of these in the early 20th century ranging from the well known (such as Orbea Hermanos) to some very obscure and short-lived firms.

 

[Tom K]

Copies of various nationalities

I have a variety of S&W copies, knock-offs and lookalikes, not all Spanish, and mostly more modern than what's been shown in this thread.

Here are some .44 Magnums: http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-re...29-2-its-spanish-american-german-cousins.html

From right to left:
S&W Model 29-2
Llama Super Comanche (Spanish)
Astra Model 44 (Spanish)
High Standard Crusader (US)
RG Model 57 (German)

A Brazilian Ladysmith knockoff: http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-ha...ths-their-brazilian-cousin-picture-heavy.html

Modern Italian reproductions of the Model 3 Russian, and Schofield: http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-antiques/247708-uberti-model-3-russian-lunchtime.html

And although I haven't written a commentary on them yet, here are some .22 Model 17 doppelgangers. From right to left :

S&W Model 17-3
Taurus Model 96 (Brazil)
Llama Martial (Spanish)
Llama Comanche (Spanish)

I resisted buying a Spanish-made Triple Lock copy a couple of months ago because it was in such loose condition - now I kinda wish I'd gotten it. They wouldn't let me take a picture of it: http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-hand-ejectors-1896-1961/300329-i-did-not-buy-triple-lock-350-a.html

 

[DAdams]

Duplicate.

 

[DAdams]

I have an opportunity to purchase this. 32 20. I couldn't get the cylinder open. 85 percent maybe 90 cosmetically. Light turn line. Comes with 20 rounds of ball ammo.
I could probably get it for $35-40.
Made in Spain. ALFA.

How do these open?

 

[haggis]

Probably just like a S&W Hand Ejector. Depending on what the internals are, it way have a similar problem - the ejector unscrews under recoil and prevents the cylinder from opening. Try to screw the ejector rod and cylinder together to get clearance to open. I'm going to assume that the threads are right-hand.

Buck

 

[Swissguns]

My two copies

The first is a S&W "improved": all the dimensions are a little oversize, to give a better balanced and sturdier gun.
.38 S&W, made by "Trocaola, Aranzabal y Cia" (TAC on the right side and on the grips),
"SMITH & WESSON'S AMERICAN METALLIC CARTRIDGES
ARE TO BE USED FOR OUR MODEL OF REVOLVER" on the barrel.


The other one is a clone of my 4rth model, with
"SMITH & WESSON SPRINGFIELD MASS. PATENTS AP.S.55 JULY ? 5? ????" on the barrel. On the left frame side, "1901" in diagonal, with some sort of little inverted "5". But on the back of the cylinder, the Belgian proofmark ELG.


Has anybody an idea on these revolvers, well made and both in good shape ?

 

[zosoredline]

I was wondering if anyone may have some info on my Spanish S&W copy. Thanks!

 

[FFLMike]

 

[MichaelZWilliamson]

I wish I still had this one or at least gotten pics. It was a .38 S&W top break DA. The markings were this.
SMILL & WELSON. SPRANGFELD MUS. Followed by the normal patent dates. The dates were all one digit off from a real S&W.

Sorry to resurrect the thread. Here is a Smill and Welson

 

[Gustavo_Castilla]

Tracola .44 special need hammer

Hi here are some photos of my .44 SPL.
I am in need for a hammer if anybody knows where to find one or if the S&W hammer can be used please send me a PM or post here.

 

[Drm50]

Mines a 32 Winchester. Missing cylinder latch assembly, getting
tired of looking for parts.

 

[randyfreeman22]

I've had a few over they years with my favorites being the ones chambered in 8mm. Just none now to show pictures of.

How can you tell what one is chambered to? My has Trocaola aramzabal y cia eibar (espana) on the top of barrel. It has F 31962 on bottom of grip. and on bottom of barrel 3 0 4 ?

 

[randyfreeman22]

How can you tell what one is chambered to? My has Trocaola aramzabal y cia eibar (espana) on the top of barrel. It has F 31962 on bottom of grip. and on bottom of barrel 3 0 4 ?

 

[petemacmahon]

I just picked up a TAC .32 long off of gunbroker. Will post pics later. I fully intend to fire it with light loads, but even most manufactured .32 S&W longs are quite anemic by today's standards.

It has a great deal of wobble when opened, like the crane needs shimmed inside the frame. A quick search on the net shows a complete dearth of parts .

This revolver looks like a very good copy of a 5 screw .32 HE and was probably made between the wars. It looks and feels like an I frame, not a K. So...............Does anyone know if S&W shims will fit? But even if, try to find S&W shims labelled for I-frames?! Will K frame shims fit in an I frame? I knew this was going to be fun a project!

 

[Gustavo_Castilla]

Parts

Any Ideas as to where i could find parts?? I need a hammer, mine came with a back yard gunsmithing hammer , sear is all but gone