You’re caught in this situation....

[steelslaver]

I used to do demo derbies. Might be some smashed up sheet metal and mangled radiators, but I WOULD move. Also I seldom drive small cars. You can shove stuff around pretty good and even a 5 ft run at it helps. Back and forth, make room. Bounce over that curb, its just a car and mostly metal. Make it move. The air bags switches take an amount of deceleration to go off. Pushing d=some cars around at low speed probably wont do it on the older rigs I drive.

 

[ISCS Yoda]

I always leave myself room in all directions around my vehicle. I know sometimes that's difficult but it is possible if one is alert to what's going on around you.--

I admit I'm not from Texas. I got here as fast as I could. I was born and raised in a northeast city where I practiced pharmacy before I was a lawyer and I worked in the medicaid business in some of the toughest neighborhoods you could ever imagine. The rule of thumb at all times was NEVER drive bumper to bumper and especially at red lights; always leave room to maneuver. Yes, it's not always easy but you should always be thinking about it. Condition yellow I think is the correct terminology.....

How does your vehicle respond, once "airbags" have been triggered and deployed?

Pushing people out of your way at 5 mph will not cause your airbags to deploy. Ramming cars will, of course, do that, and I am not sure if my vehicles will cease running if the airbags deploy. Hopefully not.......

 

[Kurusu]

Very old Nazis

Hey! the P.38 is still our service pistol.

 

[steelslaver]

Frontal air bags are generally designed to deploy in "moderate to severe" frontal or near-frontal crashes, which are defined as crashes that are equivalent to hitting a solid, fixed barrier at 8 to 14 mph or higher. (This would be equivalent to striking a parked car of similar size at about 16 to 28 mph or higher.)

Big clue here is they are in front, use the rear end to hammer your way out.

Plus, most have a reset button under the dash

But, then both my trucks have mechanical fuel pumps and no fuel shut offs. The vehicles with switches wouldn't be hard to disable if you were so inclined. Better idea if you were so inclined would be to simply add an accessible bypass switch to the circuit

I hit a fuel grown whitetail buck with a 2005 Escape and wrinkled up a bunch os sheet metal, my wife hit one with her Windstar, and totaled it. Neither had the bags go off or quit running. It takes a pretty hard hit to fire them.

 

[BAM-BAM]

"Leaving enough room" is great until the panicky Pete behind you pulls up and the guy in front backs up to your bumper.

Were I to be completely blocked in I would put on some on easy listening and shoot people who try to pull me out of the car. No need to overthink it.

keep a couple extra mags in the center console....

 

[Kurusu]

Awareness - By one of the greatest car racers ever

Here is an example of awarenees.


"Eight days after Nino Farina's victory in the inaugural World Championship race at Silverstone, Juan Manuel Fangio, who was to dominate the sport for the next seven years, eased to a win in a race marred by a first-lap pile-up.

Fangio qualified on pole and that proved vital as he was able to avoid the carnage behind him, caused when Farina skidded on the part of the road soaked by the sea at Tabac Corner after a manic start. In the resulting melee, eight others were put out and by the end of the second lap only nine of the 19 starters remained and the tracked was soaked in spilt fuel.

Only Fangio and Luigi Villoresi escaped the chaos, but as Fangio came round again he became aware of yellow flags waving. "The spectators … were not looking at me leading the race but the other way," he said, and instinctively raised his hand to warn drivers behind him of the danger.

Arriving on the scene, Fangio found the track blocked and fuel spilling everywhere along with marshals desperately trying to clear the area. He leant out and gently nudged one of the crashed cars out of the way and continued. Villoresi and Alberto Ascari followed but none came close to catching Fangio who finished a lap ahead of Ascari."

The fact that a pilot, concentrated on doing the fastest lap possible on a GP car, was able to notice what the spectators were doing is one of the best examples of awareness I can find.

Edit. But the truth is. Fangio was outstanding.

 

[max503]

Back in college in '73 we had a panty raid. Long story short, a bunch of us actually picked up a car with two chicks in it. It wasn't no compact car, either. Luckily, no one was hurt. We was just havin' some fun.

This is a good topic. Part of my situational awareness is not to get in this type of situation. Sadly, it does happen near me, in St. Louis. I stay away from there.

I would stay on main through fares. Wolves always cut out their prey from the edge of the herd.

 

[mrchuck]

When we drive anywhere, I put the zipper bag with the KEL-TEC s/w 40 in the car with me.
This is their SEMI-auto pistol that resembles a sub-machine gun with a fold-able metal stock. I have 5 fifty round magazines in the bag with it.
Give me a safe feeling when driving long distances!

 

[ImprovedModel56Fan]

"Leaving enough room" is great until the panicky Pete behind you pulls up and the guy in front backs up to your bumper.

Were I to be completely blocked in I would put on some on easy listening and shoot people who try to pull me out of the car. No need to overthink it.

Would putting in ear plugs be evidence of premeditation?

 

[Rastoff]

Would putting in ear plugs be evidence of premeditation?

In this situation? Not if I'm on the jury. That's quality preparation as far as I'm concerned. Of course you know the news will spin it as premeditation.

 

[usmc2427765]

You might need to thin out the gene pool a little.

 

[johngalt]

Serious quest for the gang:

How does your vehicle respond, once "airbags" have been triggered and deployed?

I would think that the on-board intelligence (computer) would create a shut down command to the vehicle.. ???

Many cars have the "turn off airbag" option for the passenger portion of the vehicle, is this available for the entire car?

If one is in the described situation , and the need to immediately vacate arises, your vehicle no longer is drivable ??

It takes a lot more than a tap to cause the airbag to deploy. Dad hit a deer at highway speed once, destroying the front end. The airbag did not go off. This was a mid 90's Suburban.

 

[steelslaver]

Another thing is, once the hear the ker boom ker boom of my 45 and the blood and bits start getting on them, I think most of them will do their best Usain Bolt imitation. Part of it is a pack mentality, some of them start attacking cars and most of them join in. Some of them start running and most of the survivors will run too. They do under stand strength in numbers. They will also understand that changes with "He has a a gun".

 

[BAM-BAM]

They are not the sharpest tools in the kit...............


Have you seen the video of them trying to pull down the Andrew Jackson statue in DC....... protesters with ropes on both sides pulling in opposite directions...like a tug of war.

 

[Mike 139]

There was a Video clip on Fox last week.... A Black Dodge Charger trying to ease forward in traffic, that happened to be an unmarked City of Miami Unit....Had Red and Blue lights flashing on bottom Rocker panels....The rioters surrounded it and One took his Skateboard and raising it over his head, struck the Vehicle on the passenger right front fender.... 4 Uniformed Officers with Helmets/ Faceshields and Batons immediately exited the Vehicle and made arrests... That is what Field Force is and should have been deployed in the beginning.


Peaceful protest, no problem....a riot is a problem for everyone.... If you DO get caught up in it, you have to get out of the " Kill Zone", ....Reverse your way out, don't drive into it....Have a plan, Do what you have to do to get out of there and be Safe.

 

[THEmodelof1989]

This is the type of thread that lawyers print out and bring to court with them to prove premeditation. Good job fellas... good job.

 

[Rastoff]

This is the type of thread that lawyers print out and bring to court with them to prove premeditation. Good job fellas... good job.

A couple of people have said this in this thread. Please explain to us how this is premeditation and not preparation?

I ask because I see it completely differently. Talking about stuff just like this is how we learn to avoid this type of situation altogether.

 

[ken158]

Unfortunately, this scenario could be very likely and any response could be used to indicate premeditation. Therefore, I will exercise my right to remain silent

Regardless of what may happen in such a situation, remember that anything you say on social media can possibly be used against you...

 

[BAM-BAM]

YOU SHOULD NEVER FIRE WARNING SHOTS.

Think of a "warning shot" from the other guys' perspective. The law always looks at events from all litigants' sides. Your shots put the other guy in reasonable fear of imminent death or serious bodily injury. Thus, the other guy may reasonably use deadly force to stop the attack, ie, shoot at you and kill you.

Firing a "warning shot" is doing what? Making noise? Trying to scare somebody? If you are in fear for your life, or the life of others, why are you making noise, and not addressing the threat? Isn't that an admission that you were not in reasonable fear of imminent death or serious bodily injury? If you feared for your life, you would shoot at the threat, not shoot to make noise.

Your "warning shot" might harm a bystander. Shoot down, you might have a ricochet. Shoot up into the air, the bullet can fall on somebody's head. Shoot to the side, you might hit a person.

IMHO, firing warning shot(s) is like signing your own death warrant. Do not do it.

Also, if you are under attack, why would you want to expend part of your limited supply of ammo. You may need your ammo to save you from the threat.

YOU SHOULD NEVER FIRE WARNING SHOTS.

If you are referring to my post #21.... I think I was making the same point.

Like a former VP shooting his shotgun out the window,,,,

While a warning shot(s) might have seemed like a good idea in the past ......not so much today........ as they could only serve to draw return fire.

 

[BSA1]

As others have said I am not giving up a much more powerful weapon (my vehicle) for a much less powerful one (handgun).

The only other thing I would do that has not been mentioned is rather calling the cops who are not going to get there in time to save me from the angry mob is I am going to use my cellphone to video the crowd attacking the other car, driver and mine while I am backing up.

While there will likely be videos taken by other people I want video of what I was seeing and experiencing from inside my car.