You’re caught in this situation....

[steelslaver]

I used to do demo derbies. Might be some smashed up sheet metal and mangled radiators, but I WOULD move. Also I seldom drive small cars. You can shove stuff around pretty good and even a 5 ft run at it helps. Back and forth, make room. Bounce over that curb, its just a car and mostly metal. Make it move. The air bags switches take an amount of deceleration to go off. Pushing d=some cars around at low speed probably wont do it on the older rigs I drive.

 

[ISCS Yoda]

I always leave myself room in all directions around my vehicle. I know sometimes that's difficult but it is possible if one is alert to what's going on around you.--

I admit I'm not from Texas. I got here as fast as I could. I was born and raised in a northeast city where I practiced pharmacy before I was a lawyer and I worked in the medicaid business in some of the toughest neighborhoods you could ever imagine. The rule of thumb at all times was NEVER drive bumper to bumper and especially at red lights; always leave room to maneuver. Yes, it's not always easy but you should always be thinking about it. Condition yellow I think is the correct terminology.....

How does your vehicle respond, once "airbags" have been triggered and deployed?

Pushing people out of your way at 5 mph will not cause your airbags to deploy. Ramming cars will, of course, do that, and I am not sure if my vehicles will cease running if the airbags deploy. Hopefully not.......

 

[Kurusu]

Very old Nazis

Hey! the P.38 is still our service pistol.

 

[steelslaver]

Frontal air bags are generally designed to deploy in "moderate to severe" frontal or near-frontal crashes, which are defined as crashes that are equivalent to hitting a solid, fixed barrier at 8 to 14 mph or higher. (This would be equivalent to striking a parked car of similar size at about 16 to 28 mph or higher.)

Big clue here is they are in front, use the rear end to hammer your way out.

Plus, most have a reset button under the dash

But, then both my trucks have mechanical fuel pumps and no fuel shut offs. The vehicles with switches wouldn't be hard to disable if you were so inclined. Better idea if you were so inclined would be to simply add an accessible bypass switch to the circuit

I hit a fuel grown whitetail buck with a 2005 Escape and wrinkled up a bunch os sheet metal, my wife hit one with her Windstar, and totaled it. Neither had the bags go off or quit running. It takes a pretty hard hit to fire them.

 

[BAM-BAM]

"Leaving enough room" is great until the panicky Pete behind you pulls up and the guy in front backs up to your bumper.

Were I to be completely blocked in I would put on some on easy listening and shoot people who try to pull me out of the car. No need to overthink it.

keep a couple extra mags in the center console....

 

[Kurusu]

Awareness - By one of the greatest car racers ever

Here is an example of awarenees.


"Eight days after Nino Farina's victory in the inaugural World Championship race at Silverstone, Juan Manuel Fangio, who was to dominate the sport for the next seven years, eased to a win in a race marred by a first-lap pile-up.

Fangio qualified on pole and that proved vital as he was able to avoid the carnage behind him, caused when Farina skidded on the part of the road soaked by the sea at Tabac Corner after a manic start. In the resulting melee, eight others were put out and by the end of the second lap only nine of the 19 starters remained and the tracked was soaked in spilt fuel.

Only Fangio and Luigi Villoresi escaped the chaos, but as Fangio came round again he became aware of yellow flags waving. "The spectators … were not looking at me leading the race but the other way," he said, and instinctively raised his hand to warn drivers behind him of the danger.

Arriving on the scene, Fangio found the track blocked and fuel spilling everywhere along with marshals desperately trying to clear the area. He leant out and gently nudged one of the crashed cars out of the way and continued. Villoresi and Alberto Ascari followed but none came close to catching Fangio who finished a lap ahead of Ascari."

The fact that a pilot, concentrated on doing the fastest lap possible on a GP car, was able to notice what the spectators were doing is one of the best examples of awareness I can find.

Edit. But the truth is. Fangio was outstanding.

 

[max503]

Back in college in '73 we had a panty raid. Long story short, a bunch of us actually picked up a car with two chicks in it. It wasn't no compact car, either. Luckily, no one was hurt. We was just havin' some fun.

This is a good topic. Part of my situational awareness is not to get in this type of situation. Sadly, it does happen near me, in St. Louis. I stay away from there.

I would stay on main through fares. Wolves always cut out their prey from the edge of the herd.

 

[mrchuck]

When we drive anywhere, I put the zipper bag with the KEL-TEC s/w 40 in the car with me.
This is their SEMI-auto pistol that resembles a sub-machine gun with a fold-able metal stock. I have 5 fifty round magazines in the bag with it.
Give me a safe feeling when driving long distances!

 

[ImprovedModel56Fan]

"Leaving enough room" is great until the panicky Pete behind you pulls up and the guy in front backs up to your bumper.

Were I to be completely blocked in I would put on some on easy listening and shoot people who try to pull me out of the car. No need to overthink it.

Would putting in ear plugs be evidence of premeditation?

 

[Rastoff]

Would putting in ear plugs be evidence of premeditation?

In this situation? Not if I'm on the jury. That's quality preparation as far as I'm concerned. Of course you know the news will spin it as premeditation.

 

[usmc2427765]

You might need to thin out the gene pool a little.

 

[johngalt]

Serious quest for the gang:

How does your vehicle respond, once "airbags" have been triggered and deployed?

I would think that the on-board intelligence (computer) would create a shut down command to the vehicle.. ???

Many cars have the "turn off airbag" option for the passenger portion of the vehicle, is this available for the entire car?

If one is in the described situation , and the need to immediately vacate arises, your vehicle no longer is drivable ??

It takes a lot more than a tap to cause the airbag to deploy. Dad hit a deer at highway speed once, destroying the front end. The airbag did not go off. This was a mid 90's Suburban.

 

[steelslaver]

Another thing is, once the hear the ker boom ker boom of my 45 and the blood and bits start getting on them, I think most of them will do their best Usain Bolt imitation. Part of it is a pack mentality, some of them start attacking cars and most of them join in. Some of them start running and most of the survivors will run too. They do under stand strength in numbers. They will also understand that changes with "He has a a gun".

 

[BAM-BAM]

They are not the sharpest tools in the kit...............


Have you seen the video of them trying to pull down the Andrew Jackson statue in DC....... protesters with ropes on both sides pulling in opposite directions...like a tug of war.

 

[Mike 139]

There was a Video clip on Fox last week.... A Black Dodge Charger trying to ease forward in traffic, that happened to be an unmarked City of Miami Unit....Had Red and Blue lights flashing on bottom Rocker panels....The rioters surrounded it and One took his Skateboard and raising it over his head, struck the Vehicle on the passenger right front fender.... 4 Uniformed Officers with Helmets/ Faceshields and Batons immediately exited the Vehicle and made arrests... That is what Field Force is and should have been deployed in the beginning.


Peaceful protest, no problem....a riot is a problem for everyone.... If you DO get caught up in it, you have to get out of the " Kill Zone", ....Reverse your way out, don't drive into it....Have a plan, Do what you have to do to get out of there and be Safe.

 

[THEmodelof1989]

This is the type of thread that lawyers print out and bring to court with them to prove premeditation. Good job fellas... good job.

 

[Rastoff]

This is the type of thread that lawyers print out and bring to court with them to prove premeditation. Good job fellas... good job.

A couple of people have said this in this thread. Please explain to us how this is premeditation and not preparation?

I ask because I see it completely differently. Talking about stuff just like this is how we learn to avoid this type of situation altogether.

 

[ken158]

Unfortunately, this scenario could be very likely and any response could be used to indicate premeditation. Therefore, I will exercise my right to remain silent

Regardless of what may happen in such a situation, remember that anything you say on social media can possibly be used against you...

 

[BAM-BAM]

YOU SHOULD NEVER FIRE WARNING SHOTS.

Think of a "warning shot" from the other guys' perspective. The law always looks at events from all litigants' sides. Your shots put the other guy in reasonable fear of imminent death or serious bodily injury. Thus, the other guy may reasonably use deadly force to stop the attack, ie, shoot at you and kill you.

Firing a "warning shot" is doing what? Making noise? Trying to scare somebody? If you are in fear for your life, or the life of others, why are you making noise, and not addressing the threat? Isn't that an admission that you were not in reasonable fear of imminent death or serious bodily injury? If you feared for your life, you would shoot at the threat, not shoot to make noise.

Your "warning shot" might harm a bystander. Shoot down, you might have a ricochet. Shoot up into the air, the bullet can fall on somebody's head. Shoot to the side, you might hit a person.

IMHO, firing warning shot(s) is like signing your own death warrant. Do not do it.

Also, if you are under attack, why would you want to expend part of your limited supply of ammo. You may need your ammo to save you from the threat.

YOU SHOULD NEVER FIRE WARNING SHOTS.

If you are referring to my post #21.... I think I was making the same point.

Like a former VP shooting his shotgun out the window,,,,

While a warning shot(s) might have seemed like a good idea in the past ......not so much today........ as they could only serve to draw return fire.

 

[BSA1]

As others have said I am not giving up a much more powerful weapon (my vehicle) for a much less powerful one (handgun).

The only other thing I would do that has not been mentioned is rather calling the cops who are not going to get there in time to save me from the angry mob is I am going to use my cellphone to video the crowd attacking the other car, driver and mine while I am backing up.

While there will likely be videos taken by other people I want video of what I was seeing and experiencing from inside my car.

 

[Protected One]

Unfortunately, this scenario could be very likely and any response could be used to indicate premeditation. Therefore, I will exercise my right to remain silent

I HOPE you have "premeditated" on your actions in the event of a situation like this! If it occurs, as long as you can give reasonable explanation for your actions that premeditation won't hurt you. I read a story about just such a case that was REAL....and the law says that running over people is justified because they are all considered a part of the mob - whether they were rocking your car or not.

 

[Protected One]

"Leaving enough room" is great until the panicky Pete behind you pulls up and the guy in front backs up to your bumper.

Were I to be completely blocked in I would put on some on easy listening and shoot people who try to pull me out of the car. No need to overthink it.

Well they better be driving something with power because I have a V8 with 405 hp and 4Matic and I will MOVE them.

Besides, if they're doing that it's because they are maneuvering to escape as well, so they won't have me permanently pinned in.

 

[Turq]

Well I would reach around to the back seat and pull out my.......... BLM sign

(Hopefully I don't grab the MAGA one by accident.)

 

[RGNewell]

Just keep in mind that all late model vehicles have a fuel pump shutoff that activates when airbags deploy. You can't just move vehicles out of your way and expect to make an escape.

for an airbag to be deployed from hitting a moveable object such as another vehicle you need to be traveling at least 15 MPH

 

[fredj338]

The trouble is, if you drive off and run over someone not directly threatening your life, you will likely be considered the aggressor.

This is a no win situation.

I'd sit and wait for a gap I could drive through without hitting anyone.

That is almost hysterically funny. Have you watched any of these mobs engulf a vehicle? There is no gap to drive thru unless you make it.
Drive thru it, not slowly but as fast as you can, get out of danger. Report it to police as what it was, an attack on you inside your vehicle by an over whelming force. You probably injured people but your life was being threatened. The smashed window is good evidense, but I would record it on my phone.
I am fine if they beat up my car, I am insured, but break a window, it is now an attack on your person. The relative safety envelope of the car is now gone, so driving thru it is the most desirable, so you can get away. Stay & you will be dragged from your car & the mob frenzy will take over & you are just likely to have your head kicked in or smashed with the same brick that broke your window. My gun is last resort, always.

 

[fredj338]

In this hypothetical situation, one should stop when one first notices what is going on in front of you. Situational awareness friends! It's more likely it will expand towards you than give room to let you pass. The longer you wait, the more congested with people and vehicles around you. You turn immediately, back up slowly to get room if you must. Don't deliberately hit or run over anybody... avoid them if you can... but your life is in danger and least use of force is to exit the danger zone. If they try to block you, that is a hostile act... run over them if necessary. We are used to being law abiding... drive the wrong way on a divided street if you must. You can correctly say you were trying to avoid having to employ deadly force (your pistol). Under extreme circumstances one might consider shooting a rioter off your hood through the windshield.

Unfortunately blocking your car is not considered a violent act against you. Even beating on the hood or fenders with weapons would be a no, its property crime. Once the drivers compartment is breeched, your person is now under attack, before it was a property crime, which does not allow use of force in most states. Shooting is always last resort.

 

[pawngal]

A protester got in front of the Iowa Governor's vehicle (being driven by an Iowa Highway Patrol officer) protester was hit, knocked down, refused medical treatment, and went back to protest march. Wonder if that will be the end of the incident or not?

 

[biku324]

Back to the OP.

In that scenario, I'd self talk, "Wake up - this is a whacked dream."

 

[Echo40]

You know, I've got to wonder how effective it might be just to shout at the top of your lungs; "I HAVE COVID-19!" then begin coughing profusely, think that would get them to reconsider their actions and clear a path?

Oh who am I kidding? These idiots are already standing shoulder to shoulder out in the open in the midst of a major pandemic and are apparently under the impression that any/all police shootings are a hate crime, ergo they're most likely your average conspiracy theorists who believe that COVID-19 isn't real, 9/11 was an inside job, and that the Government is secretly being run by a race of subterranean Reptiles plotting all manner of contrived schemes to enslave humanity through subliminal messaging in advertisements.

 

[fredj338]

You know, I've got to wonder how effective it might be just to shout at the top of your lungs; "I HAVE COVID-19!" then begin coughing profusely, think that would get them to reconsider their actions and clear a path?

Oh who am I kidding? These idiots are already standing shoulder to shoulder out in the open in the midst of a major pandemic and are apparently under the impression that any/all police shootings are a hate crime, ergo they're most likely your average conspiracy theorists who believe that COVID-19 isn't real, 9/11 was an inside job, and that the Government is secretly being run by a race of subterranean Reptiles plotting all manner of contrived schemes to enslave humanity through subliminal messaging in advertisements.

Covid is real just not the killer it is portrayed in the media. Wash your hands, dont lick people you dont know, you are pretty much gtg.