The speed loaders work with all my grips. If they don't I grind them until they fit. The wood grips are off the 442 and replaced with the old Uncle Mike's Boot Grips. I carry my second gun in the off hand pocket so I can casually walk around with gun in hand if I feel the need. I practice off hand shooting so while not as natural feeling as my right hand, it's not bad. My guess is the off hand gun would probably come out first in an emergency. I Just naturally walk around with my hands in my pocket most of the time. The AIWB gun can be reached by both hands. In a emergency it may be a good thing.
Can we discuss NY reload and carrying 2 revolvers?
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The speed loaders work with all my grips. If they don't I grind them until they fit. The wood grips are off the 442 and replaced with the old Uncle Mike's Boot Grips. I carry my second gun in the off hand pocket so I can casually walk around with gun in hand if I feel the need. I practice off hand shooting so while not as natural feeling as my right hand, it's not bad. My guess is the off hand gun would probably come out first in an emergency. I Just naturally walk around with my hands in my pocket most of the time. The AIWB gun can be reached by both hands. In a emergency it may be a good thing.
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This reminded me of something I read. Background info, in case you don't know who Jim Cirillo is: He is well-known for having been a member of the NYPD Stakeout Squad, which had a number of gunfights. IIRC, Cirillo was involved in 12 of them.
The story: Someone asked Cirillo why he carried three guns on him. His response: "Because four would be ostentatious."
JWM
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Gun writer Massad Ayoob wrote an article back around 2000-2001 in American Handgunner magazine about the practice of carrying two J frames. I remember reading it at the time. I did an internet search a few years ago and found it online. Not sure if it is still available.
Bill In Texas
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I carry two j frames most days when I'm out and about. I like to try to have the same sight picture as well, so I carry a 640 in my front right pocket and a 637 with a bobbed hammer off body in an Elite Avenger shoulder bag.
I try to practice situational awareness, so if I go some place that doesn't feel or look right, I'll toss the bag over my shoulder with the 637 in a cross draw position. Otherwise, I just leave it in the truck. In the bag are a couple of speedloaders and I carry a couple of speed strips in my rear right pocket or right cargo shorts pocket.
These are the two guns I practice with most at the range and I like to have them both with me when I go out from the house. I have put the 637 in my back pocket or cargo shorts pocket at times. Both gun are also carried in pocket holsters.
I know this may not be for everyone, but it seems to work for me. Good topic ABPOS!
I try to practice situational awareness, so if I go some place that doesn't feel or look right, I'll toss the bag over my shoulder with the 637 in a cross draw position. Otherwise, I just leave it in the truck. In the bag are a couple of speedloaders and I carry a couple of speed strips in my rear right pocket or right cargo shorts pocket.
These are the two guns I practice with most at the range and I like to have them both with me when I go out from the house. I have put the 637 in my back pocket or cargo shorts pocket at times. Both gun are also carried in pocket holsters.
I know this may not be for everyone, but it seems to work for me. Good topic ABPOS!
The 642 is usually on my left ankle, and my 357 is on my right hip. Speed strip in my right pants pocket.
Why carry two, ever have a gun fail?
I dont even want to get into why a police officer, current or former, would question the idea of a private citizen carrying a backup gun.
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Why carry two, ever have a gun fail?
I dont even want to get into why a police officer, current or former, would question the idea of a private citizen carrying a backup gun.
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Jim Cirillo's Tales Of The Stakeout Squad" by Paul Kirchner.
Guns, Bullets, And Gunfights: Lessons And Tales From A Modern-Day Gunfighter" by Jim Cirillo, Charles R. Grabbatin, Ray Chapman.
Both OUTSTANDING. Cirillo is an absolute hoot in the books. His stories are priceless. Big Smith & Wesson lover too.
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Unless I'm in a non permissive environment, I always carry two guns. A S&W 337 and either a 9mm Glock 19, Glock 43 or a custom 3" Colt Agent. Having survived two gunfights, I can tell you two things for sure; always have a gun, and two is one and one is none.
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31FordA
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I will carry two revolvers when serving warrants, or when I need to visit a particularly unfriendly neighborhood for an investigation. Currently I carry my SP-101 on my right hip at 4 o'clock, and my 340 on my left hip at 8 o'clock. I have practiced drawing and firing with my left hand to the point I shoot just about as good with my left hand as my right. Both guns use the same speedloaders, which is another plus. I also carry a Keltec P32 in my pocket as an additional unobtrusive back up, along with my Kershaw.
When I started carrying the second revolver it was in a cross draw set up. I switched to a specifically left hand holster because I didn't like having a gun butt forward when making an arrest.
Off duty I carry the 340 or a 60-7, plus the Kershaw. In really hot weather I'll just carry the P32, plus the Kershaw.
When I started carrying the second revolver it was in a cross draw set up. I switched to a specifically left hand holster because I didn't like having a gun butt forward when making an arrest.
Off duty I carry the 340 or a 60-7, plus the Kershaw. In really hot weather I'll just carry the P32, plus the Kershaw.
So, how do you guys employ the 2nd gun? I'm assuming you guys using your "support" hand or "other" hand don't feel the need to holster your first one?
For those of you who use the second gun in your strong hand, what do you do with the first gun when you transition? Holster? Throw down? Transfer it to weak hand and draw and fire one handed with the strong hand?
For those of you who use the second gun in your strong hand, what do you do with the first gun when you transition? Holster? Throw down? Transfer it to weak hand and draw and fire one handed with the strong hand?
So, how do you guys employ the 2nd gun? I'm assuming you guys using your "support" hand or "other" hand don't feel the need to holster your first one?
For those of you who use the second gun in your strong hand, what do you do with the first gun when you transition? Holster? Throw down? Transfer it to weak hand and draw and fire one handed with the strong hand? Whip the first one at your target/ targets and buy some time to switch to second gun?
For those of you who use the second gun in your strong hand, what do you do with the first gun when you transition? Holster? Throw down? Transfer it to weak hand and draw and fire one handed with the strong hand? Whip the first one at your target/ targets and buy some time to switch to second gun?
jebstuart
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In a "street fight" scenario as discussed here, IMHO, I'm with Jeff Cooper. Far more important than "how many" rounds of .38 (actually .36) can I carry in reasonable comfort, is confident shot placement and combat/survival attitude.
I grew up as an aerial power lineman which requires extensive ropesmanship. You must rig, lift and move things with ropes and knots. A very temporary and weak knot is a half-hitch. The saying goes "13 half hitches will hold anything, but one of the correct knot, will work far better".
The .45acp is a proven fight stopper. If you are in a fight that requires more than seven rounds of .45acp, especially with the exotic ammunition now available to us, you need to be using that "purpose built" defense handgun to fight your way to your long gun, presumably in your vehicle. For carry, Colt's Lightweight Defender is hard to beat. I have one equipped with a Chainmail Crimson Trace laser and it affords absolute confidence. Those who would say that a self loading handgun can malfunction, are correct - any firearm can. But, the 2000 rounds you put through it to gain that confident shot placement and attitude will expose weaknesses and give you an opptuity to correct any problem a thousand rounds before your life depends on it.
Anyone who has not read Jeff Cooper's books: "Principles of Personal Defense" & "To Ride, Shoot Straight and Speak the Truth", I highly recommend it. He is, after all, the father of self defense & handgun craft. Just my 2 cents, and worth every penny.
I grew up as an aerial power lineman which requires extensive ropesmanship. You must rig, lift and move things with ropes and knots. A very temporary and weak knot is a half-hitch. The saying goes "13 half hitches will hold anything, but one of the correct knot, will work far better".
The .45acp is a proven fight stopper. If you are in a fight that requires more than seven rounds of .45acp, especially with the exotic ammunition now available to us, you need to be using that "purpose built" defense handgun to fight your way to your long gun, presumably in your vehicle. For carry, Colt's Lightweight Defender is hard to beat. I have one equipped with a Chainmail Crimson Trace laser and it affords absolute confidence. Those who would say that a self loading handgun can malfunction, are correct - any firearm can. But, the 2000 rounds you put through it to gain that confident shot placement and attitude will expose weaknesses and give you an opptuity to correct any problem a thousand rounds before your life depends on it.
Anyone who has not read Jeff Cooper's books: "Principles of Personal Defense" & "To Ride, Shoot Straight and Speak the Truth", I highly recommend it. He is, after all, the father of self defense & handgun craft. Just my 2 cents, and worth every penny.
Double-O-Dave
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Once I obtained my LTC, I carried a full sized semiauto in either 9mm. or .40 S&W. I quickly found out that carrying a full sized pistol is no fun (oh the days a few years ago when I carried a Colt's Government Model in .45ACP all day long without complaints). I soon learned that the handgun you will actually carry beats the heck out of anything you leave at home because it was inconvenient. I then started carrying a Model 642-1 in my strong side (right) pants pocket in a DeSantis Nemesis pocket holster, and a folding lock blade knife in a small pouch on my left hip, and thought that was sufficient.
One night several years ago, I was out walking our two small terrier dogs. I had wrapped a leash around each hand to keep them from crossing each other's paths and tangling their leashes. Suddenly, a woman ahead of us who was walking a pair of Boxer dogs stumbled, fell, and both dogs got away from her and made a bee line for me and my two dogs. It is amazing how fast a pair of Boxer dogs can cover ground, and both were on us very quickly. The heads of both dogs reached my waist level, and they were trying hard to get at my dogs. I could not get the leashes off from around my hands, so I could not get at my revolver, nor my knife, nor the Pepper Spray on my key chain (rear pants pocket). Yep, I was in bad shape. All I could do was turn circles to keep the Boxers away from my dogs, and knee the Boxers every time I had an opportunity to do so. Finally, the other dog owner came and got her dogs off of me.
This incident taught me several things: 1) get your head out of your backside and think before you leave the house; 2) keep at least one hand free at all time; 3) a handgun for each hand can be a good thing to have; 4) always carry a (charged) cell phone when you leave the house - even if you're just going to check the mail or walk the dog(s).
Following this incident, my EDC went from the Model 642-1 to a Model 38-0 in either my off-side front pants pocket, or in my off-side rear pants pocket, and a Model 638-1 in my strong side pants pocket. Both are equipped with CT LG-405 laser grips and loaded with standard velocity .38 Special ammo. I also carry a fully loaded, 8 round speed strip in a small pouch on my belt. Both revolvers are carried in DeSantis Nemesis pocket holsters. I have arthritis in both hands and wrists, and reloading is both slow and painful. For me, if a reload is needed, a NY Reload would work best for me.
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Dave
One night several years ago, I was out walking our two small terrier dogs. I had wrapped a leash around each hand to keep them from crossing each other's paths and tangling their leashes. Suddenly, a woman ahead of us who was walking a pair of Boxer dogs stumbled, fell, and both dogs got away from her and made a bee line for me and my two dogs. It is amazing how fast a pair of Boxer dogs can cover ground, and both were on us very quickly. The heads of both dogs reached my waist level, and they were trying hard to get at my dogs. I could not get the leashes off from around my hands, so I could not get at my revolver, nor my knife, nor the Pepper Spray on my key chain (rear pants pocket). Yep, I was in bad shape. All I could do was turn circles to keep the Boxers away from my dogs, and knee the Boxers every time I had an opportunity to do so. Finally, the other dog owner came and got her dogs off of me.
This incident taught me several things: 1) get your head out of your backside and think before you leave the house; 2) keep at least one hand free at all time; 3) a handgun for each hand can be a good thing to have; 4) always carry a (charged) cell phone when you leave the house - even if you're just going to check the mail or walk the dog(s).
Following this incident, my EDC went from the Model 642-1 to a Model 38-0 in either my off-side front pants pocket, or in my off-side rear pants pocket, and a Model 638-1 in my strong side pants pocket. Both are equipped with CT LG-405 laser grips and loaded with standard velocity .38 Special ammo. I also carry a fully loaded, 8 round speed strip in a small pouch on my belt. Both revolvers are carried in DeSantis Nemesis pocket holsters. I have arthritis in both hands and wrists, and reloading is both slow and painful. For me, if a reload is needed, a NY Reload would work best for me.
Regards,
Dave
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Just cause you're paranoid doesn't mean some isnt out to get ya. Lol
Skeptic 9c
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I've known a guy who worked the wet and wild in Florida. He carried a rifle in the truck, a large pistol and a snubby with shot loads for snakes.
He was putting fencing in water, for a large amount of money.
Geoff
Who is old enough to appreciate indoor work with no heavy lifting.
He was putting fencing in water, for a large amount of money.
Geoff
Who is old enough to appreciate indoor work with no heavy lifting.
bigwheelzip
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I'm Brooklyn born and raised and I've developed my own take on a NY Reload. I generally travel with my husband, and we both carry the same firearms, with reloads.
I got him started with firearms by getting matching 9mm Shields, giving him one, and signing him up for CC classes. Then we both got CZ PCR's for carry. For woods walks, we both take 686+'s.
I got him started with firearms by getting matching 9mm Shields, giving him one, and signing him up for CC classes. Then we both got CZ PCR's for carry. For woods walks, we both take 686+'s.
