Upgrade to Glock!!??

[surveyor47]

All that it takes to fire a Glock is 1 finger to depress the safety and trigger. I love them on the range, where their consistent single action trigger leads to good grouping and magazine capacity completely outclass my J-frames. Hard to beat from that standpoint.

Real world 24/hour per day handling is where the revolver has an edge, which outweighs the firepower of a semi auto. The gun rides a pocket holseter, in and out of the pocket, lives loaded for months at a time, gets checked regularly. Those are circumstances which could easily lead to an accidental discharge. And yes, I do use a pocket holster. The primary safety of a DA revolver is its long heavy trigger pull, not some ditsy little lever that one tends to forget even exists. You touch the trigger of a Glock and it goes off. That is what it is intended to do. If you dont want it to go off, you keep it inside of a protective holster, designed to prevent accidnetal discharge and keep your finger off the trigger. Its a fine point, but one which requires special training. The strong point of a DA revolver is that it requires a deliberate pull of the trigger in order to fire the gun. I believe that a DA revolver or a S&W 3rd Generation semi auto is better in surprise close quarters situations, being less likely to go off accidnetally. That trigger can become awful light when the adrenalin starts pumping.

 

[toocool]

I've had Glocks, Sigmas, XDs, an XDm and a few M&Ps. Currently I have a 3913, Ruger SR9, S&W model 39-2 and a Ruger P345. I actually went out last weekend and looked for another Glock, 'cuz I feel left out not having one, but they just don't "feel" right to me...the grip frame on the 19/23 just feels too short, the full size felt fat and blocky to me. I think I'm going to get a 5" XD .45 if I can find a black one around here...lately all I find are the tan and OD frames, and I'm sorry, but guns shouldn't be tan or green...

 

[Tim Nagel]

I had bad luck with a Sigma, I would either go with the S&W M&P, Glock, or the Springfield XD, I have carried a Glock 22 both on and off duty for 10 years, I really like the Glock, but that said I really like the S&W M&P in both 40 and 45!

 

[Pasifikawv]

Thanks to all for the feedback. Much appreciated.

I have been weighing this decision for several months and while I like both the Sigma and the Glock, I prefer the Glock - but the Sigma is a awesome product for the price.

I think it comes down to the dollars and the deal for me. If I can find a good deal for a good trade, I'll make the switch. But I won't overpay for what seems to be only a slight upgrade at bests.

Have had no luck finding a decently priced used Glock at local retailers or the area trader rag. Did see some decent police trades from internet sellers, but the trade terms were poor. There is a gun show nearby next weekend that I will attend. If there is a reasonable trade to be made, I'll go for it. If not, I am content with my S&W.

 

[Titan]

I'm quite sure you won't find a 'decent' trade even-up, so you'll likely have to spend $50-$100 to get into a used Glock.

For that money, you could also trade into an M&P or, for a few dollars more, maybe even find a new one on sale.

From my perspective, I believe the M&P is a clearly superior gun to the Glock. I've bought four M&Ps and love them all.

Do yourself a favor and check out the ergonomics and performance of the M&P before going Glock.

S&W service is also a difference maker.
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[Pasifikawv]

I'm quite sure you won't find a 'decent' trade even-up, so you'll likely have to spend $50-$100 to get into a used Glock.

For that money, you could also trade into an M&P or, for a few dollars more, maybe even find a new one on sale.

From my perspective, I believe the M&P is a clearly superior gun to the Glock. I've bought four M&Ps and love them all.

Do yourself a favor and check out the ergonomics and performance of the M&P before going Glock.

S&W service is also a difference maker.
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Almost got a M&P 40 about 2 weeks ago. Saw it on Friday, went back for it on Monday and it was gone....

If I can find a decent trade for a Glock 22/23 at plus $50 - $100, I'll jump on it. Most likely have to be a private seller for that amount. Most dealers want closer to $200 - even for 2nd Gen police trades. That doesn't fly for me.

 

[Deltaboy]

Get a new instructor Send your Sigma in if your not happy with the Trigger.


Too many People forget dead is dead and it doesn't matter if the perp is shot with a Sigma , Glock or a Sig! He is still dead!

 

[Knightrider03m]

get a new instructor send your sigma in if your not happy with the trigger.


Too many people forget dead is dead and it doesn't matter if the perp is shot with a sigma , glock or a sig! He is still dead!

x2

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[remat457]

Does the pistol function reliably? Does it meet your needs? If so, I wouldn't worry about it.

If you want to change to a different pistol (or expand what you own) go for it!

 

[remat457]

Somehow, I cannot get past the idea of a holster being a guns primary safety! Depress that little trigger safety and you have a trigger pull about equal to a cocked S&W revolver! How many of you semi auto guys would walk around with a cocked S&W revolver, relying entirely upon the holster to keep things from touching that trigger?

That's not a fair comparison. The Glock striker is not cocked. It is slightly pre-cocked and uses the trigger pull to complete. There is about 4mm of slack that needs to depressed and then about 7lbs to break. None of my revolvers are anywhere near that bad in single-action. In fact, in double-action most of my revolvers are lighter and cleaner

But, Glocks are sure inexpensive, rugged, and reliable. I hope my M&P proves to be the same.

 

[hittman77]

I love them on the range, where their consistent single action trigger leads to good grouping and magazine capacity completely outclass my J-frames. Hard to beat from that standpoint.

Real world 24/hour per day handling is where the revolver has an edge,

+1 and.....why not own both. Hard to have too many.

 

[surveyor47]

My son and I just went through that debate when he recently purchased his first handgun. He was gaga for Glocks. I insisted that it had to have some sort of safety other than a trigger lever. We finally settled on the Springfield XD Compact 45ACP, because it has a 1911 style grip safety as well as a trigger safety. It helps that this gun has an excellent reputation. The tipping point came when a friend let me shoot his XD45 at 100 yard metal plates. I hit on the 2nd shot and continued hitting about 1 to 2 rounds per magazine. Not bad for a 3.5 inch barreled gun. Since my son is in the USMC, he has asked me to develop loads for his gun, so I will get to test fire it now and then.

I have been through my semi auto phase. I now own a CS9, a CS40 and a CZ75B which largely exist as safe queens. The CS9 is an OK, but not great pocket gun, but the 642 carries so much easier. Strictly speaking, the Glock 27? 40 subcompact is about the same size as my 642, hits harder, more accurately, with more firepower. My one and only objection is the safety issue.

 

[Jimmymac46]

I was forced to carry a then new Glock 22 with the also new 40 S&W. The good news...it was utterly reliable. Went bang every time. The bad news....it pointed like a 2x4, and shot about the same. I had a model 27 for off duty. When I retired, I turned in the 22, sold the 27 and have never looked back.

Obviously, reliability is of primary importance so the Glock will continue to remain a viable choice. But let me throw a dark horse into the discussion. I strongly believe that the Beretta model 92/96 is the best and finest full sized auto available today. Why? It is every bit as reliable as the Glock, with the smoke stack jam totally eliminated. It will run in mud, rain, or dirt. It is a natural pointer (handle one and I believe you will agree). It is all metal, no plastic! It has a manual safety....ambi. It uses steel magazines. It is made in the USA! And, finally, it is reasonably priced.

It's only down fall is it is a large gun, and does not conceal well. I have two, but still carry my Smith 3914 as my CCW gun (will change shortly to my Smith 457) due only to portability.

In summary, try a 96, you might just like it.

 

[rchance]

I like all of the choices people have mentioned. If I were looking for something else to upgrade to and still use a plastic gun I would go with the M&P or the XD. Both to me have a smoother trigger than the glock but I still carry a glock for the simple reason you can do almost anything to it and it will still shoot. I have a sigma and the trigger is so stiff it doesn't shoot near as smooth as the above mentioned. No matter what others say I'd carry what feels right to you.

 

[jeffj13]

Originally Posted by surveyor47 View Post
All right, I just have to stir this pot!

Somehow, I cannot get past the idea of a holster being a guns primary safety! Depress that little trigger safety and you have a trigger pull about equal to a cocked S&W revolver! How many of you semi auto guys would walk around with a cocked S&W revolver, relying entirely upon the holster to keep things from touching that trigger? Thats about how much sence a Glock makes to me.

There is just something about an external safety on a semi auto that makes so much sence to me. Grip safety. Thumb safety. Something more than a little lever on the trigger. This is why the S&W 3rd Generation semi autos make so much sence to me.

The S&W M&P with thumb safety makes sence to me. The Springfield XD with grip safety makes sence to me. Glock does not compute to my revolver brain.

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Wasn't there some football player that ruined his whole career over this very thing?

No. Mr. Burress ruined his career by carrying a weapon in NYC illegally, that is, without having a permit to carry. He compounded this stupidity by carrying in an unsafe manner (not properly secured in a holster).

jeff

 

[n4zov]

Like some others, I am not completely happy with the Glock from a safety standpoint, but there are alternatives if you want to add a manual safety to the Glock:

The Glock Manual Safety

TopGlock.com: Siderlock Glock User Installed Manual Safety

 

[surveyor47]

To me, a Glock is strictly a holster carried weapon. It is not something to be left in a household drawer. It is not something to be slipped into the pocket, unless you have a specially designed pocket holster and NOTHING else in your pocket. It is perfect for a soldier in a combat zone, nothing better. But for a civilian CCW, I think there are much better choices, such as the S&W CS9, CS40 or CS45.

 

[kbm6893]

That's not a fair comparison. The Glock striker is not cocked. It is slightly pre-cocked and uses the trigger pull to complete. There is about 4mm of slack that needs to depressed and then about 7lbs to break. None of my revolvers are anywhere near that bad in single-action. In fact, in double-action most of my revolvers are lighter and cleaner

But, Glocks are sure inexpensive, rugged, and reliable. I hope my M&P proves to be the same.

Glocks ship with a 5.5 pound trigger.

 

[Old Navy]

Glocks ship with a 5.5 pound trigger.

Last I heard they were going to bump that up for none contract civilian guns, they even had it on there website a while back. I don't think it will happen, but I could be wrong.

I like my 10 mm and 45 ACP for SD use and CCW, so I would love a 610 in 3" but the average price is about $1300 so I thought about a Night Guard 310 and again the price was a killer. So I am still pocket carrying a G29 compact 10 mm that shoots like a dream but due to trigger I can not pocket carry with one in the pipe in my pocket.

Over the last few years I have come to the conclusion that the only place for a Glock is actual combat or a range because of the lack of a manual safety. I may later buy the manual safety to install and finally be where I want to be, but just hate the idea of having to do an aftermarket mod to get the gun right.

The Slider lock for Glock's in my opinion is an accident waiting to happen or going to get someone killed when they haven't practiced enough and killed or injured when they can not get the gun to fire in time. I know a lot of people will do the slider safety due to price but IMHO you better invest in a proved safety on the frame like the other more expensive model that needs in most case be installed by someone who knows what they are doing.

 

[blaiwayw]

When my son wanted to purchase a centerfire handgun, I suggested the Glock 19. Readily available under $450 with multiple 15 round magazines. Reliable, easy to break down and lightweight. I offered to buy my daughter a handgun, if she completed a firearms safety course. When she completed the training, I provided her with a Glock 19 and several hundred rounds of 9mm. I have used a Beretta 92 for IDPA and have switched to a Glock 19 for that purpose. I CC a Glock 26.