Tim Nagel
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I hope S&W doesn't quit making the 3rd Generation pistols all together! That would be a crime in itself, doesn't Califorina Highway Patrol still carry the S&W 4006?
NYPD to go M&P
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S&W can make 3rd Gen pistols anytime it wants to. If they get orders to justify it, then they will since they are in business to make money. California does still issue the 4006, the current version having an integral picatinny rail and some slight differences discussed on this forum previously.
Tim Nagel
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I would love to see a run of 4506's!
To each his own but if given the choice between an DAO 3rd Generation S&W auto or an M&P, I'd jump on the M&P! It appears any issues with the guns have been addressed and they are working fine (mine does). It's lighter, holds more rounds (not an issue as the 5946 holds plenty), and has a better/quicker trigger reset. I'm guessing they'll be cheaper as well.
Will the M&Ps have the standard weight trigger as the commercial/LE guns or is NYPD asking for something heavier (like they do for the Glock)?
Will the M&Ps have the standard weight trigger as the commercial/LE guns or is NYPD asking for something heavier (like they do for the Glock)?
The reason for the switch is S&W isn't making metal framed pistols anymore, 5946 included. The NYPD buys guns by the hundreds if not thousands. If that size order isn't enough to persuade the factory to produce a run I'm thinking they are cashing out on the 3rd Gens period.
And I'm willing to bet the NYPD will specify some rediculous trigger and ruin the gun, just like they did with the Dept issued Glocks and Sigs. The 5946 met Dept regs right out of the box so it never got messed with and got to remain in all its S&W goodness.
And I'm willing to bet the NYPD will specify some rediculous trigger and ruin the gun, just like they did with the Dept issued Glocks and Sigs. The 5946 met Dept regs right out of the box so it never got messed with and got to remain in all its S&W goodness.
Looks as if it will be some time before the M&P is approved. It appears that problems still exist with the compact M&P slated for off duty use. The full size service pistol is good to go, but "The Job" won't take one with out the other..So, no M&P's until issues with the compact are resolved.
From what I have heard it all boils down to an ammo problem. They are seeing functioning problems only with the compact and our service ammo. S&W says its too dirty causing the problems, as I believe other ammo is digested w/o any problems. The job is not going to change ammo, it happens to be an excellent round. S&W and the range are working out the problem.
In the real world, any other department would adopt the service pistol and wait for the fix of the off duty (compact), but this is the NYPD....need we say more.......
To their credit, S&W does a great job, as does Glock (for the most part) addressing problems. Sig on the otherhand is not so Dept friendly. They were dropped once by the NYPD and only came back after changing their tune and addressing the depatments concerns with their product.
In the real world, any other department would adopt the service pistol and wait for the fix of the off duty (compact), but this is the NYPD....need we say more.......
To their credit, S&W does a great job, as does Glock (for the most part) addressing problems. Sig on the otherhand is not so Dept friendly. They were dropped once by the NYPD and only came back after changing their tune and addressing the depatments concerns with their product.
When/if they decide to switch from the 5946 to the M&P9, will it be the standard size M&P? And since the M&P9 has a higher round count than 15 rounds, will they do something to make the mag hold 15? I guess they'd use the MA trigger (10+ Lbs) as standard? It would be a feather in S&W's cap to get the M&P into NYPD holsters.
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GLOCK is coming out with a new pistol which trys to catch up with Smith & Wesson; ie. backstraps etc.
Officers are reporting seeing proto-types at ranges in NE America. Nothing on the street as yet.
I like the Smith; got 'em in 9, 40 and 45 and they are all shooters.
NYPD would do well with these pistols.
Officers are reporting seeing proto-types at ranges in NE America. Nothing on the street as yet.
I like the Smith; got 'em in 9, 40 and 45 and they are all shooters.
NYPD would do well with these pistols.
CTPete
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S&W IS still making their metal frame Tactical series guns for LEO contracts by special order.
UPDATE
I was at the range today for requal and heard some M&P news. As of now it hasn't been adopted. Apparently our duty ammo is too hot for the M&P and is causing too many malfunctions. S&W is working with the NYPD to make the M&P 9 124gr +P friendly. I just told you everything I know.
In other news it looks like the Blackhawk Serpa holster may become an option. I hope this is true as I really am not a fan of our current holster and anything else would be better.
I was at the range today for requal and heard some M&P news. As of now it hasn't been adopted. Apparently our duty ammo is too hot for the M&P and is causing too many malfunctions. S&W is working with the NYPD to make the M&P 9 124gr +P friendly. I just told you everything I know.
In other news it looks like the Blackhawk Serpa holster may become an option. I hope this is true as I really am not a fan of our current holster and anything else would be better.
As I posted earlier (#28) the ammo problem is in the compact version of the M&P. The NYPD (AKA) "The Job" wants to offer both the service pistol and the compact together and has decided to WAIT (what ***es) until S&W can fix the problem (as MTS stated) with the Compact. For those of us OTJ this way of thinking is not new.
I've shot 124+P Ranger-Ts and 124+P Gold Dots out of mine without any issues, but I've only shot a box of 50 or so of each. So far, for 600+ rounds my M&P 9 has been completely relaible. Did they happen to say what problems they were experiencing?
ultra45, you posted right as I hit reply. I see now the M&P 9 Compact is what NYPD is having reliability issues with, not the fullsize. I assume the M&P 9 FS is GTG?
ultra45, you posted right as I hit reply. I see now the M&P 9 Compact is what NYPD is having reliability issues with, not the fullsize. I assume the M&P 9 FS is GTG?
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Yes Lt, the full size has finally passed the testing phase. Our Job is anal retentive ans wants S&W to fix the compact issue before they authorized BOTH guns.
Landric
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I'm curious too, any news on the M&P for NYPD? I think the 5946 is a great pistol, and it would have been my choice for duty (with a 3953 for off-duty) if I worked for NYPD. Even so, the M&P is a fine pistol, even if it doesn't have the "soul" of a 3rd Generation.
Texas Star
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Aren't those things striker fired, with no trigger reset if you get a misfire?
I wouldn't own one, or a Glock. I know that some feel differently.
Of the NY list, I'd buy the SIG.
T-Star
I wouldn't own one, or a Glock. I know that some feel differently.
Of the NY list, I'd buy the SIG.
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twomoons
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folks,
this is new to me. what is a good reliable self defense ammo for the mp9 c gun then
this is new to me. what is a good reliable self defense ammo for the mp9 c gun then
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