Tragedy in Arizona.....

[stantheman86]

In case you haven't heard, an Arizona State Representative was shot in the head by some maniac, and a former Fed. Judge was killed, along with a 9 year old girl and several others.

The shooter was a 22 year old Caucasian male, who had an anti-American web site showing him burning the US flag, and typed in his "blog" to his family and freinds to "not be mad for what he's about to do".......he was obviously disturbed, he said the "govt. controls our minds" and all kinds of other crap.

He used a Glock with an extended mag, the news was sure to include this point.

It is a tragedy, but as far as our RTKBA 2nd Amendment rights, we are in for a SERIOUS backlash here. However this kid got the gun, it will be an "issue" gun show, gun shop, it won't matter, the anti-gun maniacs will be crying for more "control"......there will be a call for longer wait periods, a nationwide handgun ban or limit, ban on hi-cap mags.............I'm dreading the wait for the "other shoe to drop" on this one, we have a serious fight on the way here.

Obama is gonna try to use this to push through anything he can, because now it "hit close to home"for him, and a politician has been attacked with a gun. He's gonna feel like he can write a blank check for support from every politico who wants a gun ban.

 

[A10]

The other thing I heard almost immediately was someone blaming the "Tea Party". No real surprise there, the ignorance in the media is beyond belief. The Tea Party supporters are true Americans, believing in the Constitution, the rights of the people, and above all the republic of the United States. Our revolutions are not armed, they take place at the ballot box. The act of picking up a gun because you don't like a person's politics is a most UN-AMERICAN act. Our founding fathers believed that. the ONLY reason the American Revolution happened was because there was no redress of the concerns of the colonies. Every avenue was exhausted before we declared our independence, and even then a full third of the continental congress were against it. Thank God it happened, but it was in no way a capricious or cavalier decision. Armed revolution in this day and age is no answer. If it were to happen, EVERYTHING WE HAVE WORKED FOR OVER THE LAST 230 PLUS YEARS IS THROWN TO THE WIND!!

 

[ladder13]

Bad things happen to gunowners when politicians get killed. One only need relive the mid 60's with JFK, RFK and MLK Jr. The GCA of '68 was the result.
Now we'll see where our so-called "friends" in Congress stand. Some have said there's no way anything anti-gun gets passed in this Congress. I'm not so sure. The Bills are being drawn up as we speak. Dark days ahead.

 

[cp1969]

Anybody got a good explanation for how this happens in a CCW state?

 

[stantheman86]

This 22-year old freakin' idiot may have done more damage to our gun rights than anything else could have.......I'm glad he was taken alive, maybe when it comes to light he was a complete psycho who acted alone out of some schizo anti-govt. psychosis it will make things a little better on us. An "isolated incident" is better than him being part of some "group" that they can point at.....

The Brady Bill went into effect for less people getting shot.......Lord knows what the heck is gonna come out of this. One person acting alone with a gun will be the start of nationwide pushes for a gun ban.......This is the first time I have been genuinely worried about our rights in my life.......I hope the NRA is getting ready for "damage control" on this one, and like was said, we'll see how much the "2nd Amendment freindly" politicians will do, and which ones were just coddling us to get votes and will stab us in the back when the heat is on.......

Doesn't Arizona have open carry? I mean, Jesus, that would have been THE time for a law abiding CCW holder to pull their weapon and gun this idiot down, a tragedy could have been averted and it could have been a win for us........and now it's probably the biggest blow we could have taken against us..........it's 3 steps forward and 5 backward, we get a lot of Republicans and gun-freindly politicos elected, but now the liberals will be screaming for gun control after this....when it comes to light this A-hole bought the gun at a gun show or something.......

If this were to happen in PA probably 20 people would have pulled CC pistols and shot this guy.......

 

[walnutred]

This is very tragic from all angles. However I find the choice of victim very interesting. Makes you wonder who was behind it.

 

[ladder13]

From 1 report I heard, take if for what it's worth, there was a gunowner nearby who fired a couple shots at the gunman. Apparently any and all shots missed, the gunman anyway, as he's reported to be uninjured.
I wonder how many got shot by "friendly fire".

 

[The Big D]

Given there were multiple people killed, who was the "victim?"

That said, why do you "find the choice of victim very interesting"?

This is very tragic from all angles. However I find the choice of victim very interesting. Makes you wonder who was behind it.

 

[JayDubya]

I think we all agree this was the act of an unbalanced person. As to what members of Congress will now do, keep in mind this: SHE was a member of that Congress, and from what I have been reading a well-regarded one.

One of the things that struck me from the articles I have read was how good a shot this kid was. He used a Glock 19, recently and legally purchased (with an extended magazine according to one report), and for just about every round he fired, he hit someone. The other thing that sticks in my mind was that some citizen tackled him and held him down until the authorities came to arrest him. Now that is a citizen.

A lot of pain should come from this event, especially when coupled with what happened recently at Fort Hood (also with a legally purchased handgun with a super-high-capacity magazine by a nutcase). In my opinion, one of the first pains should be the abolition of super-high-capacity magazines, probably nationwide. My state, California, already has a ten round limit. Many consider this to be an unforgiveable infringement on our Second Amendment rights. I was neutral on this topic, but now I would approve of such a law. I have several handguns in strategic places in our house. The most rounds any hold are 13 + 1 -- that being the Browning Hi Power I carried as my personal weapon during several Vietnam deployments. The others carry half that or less, and will do the job. And so can I.

Go ahead, let me have it.

Jack

 

[tac803]

I would hope that we could all take a moment and remember, in our own way, the victims of this horrible event. Remember the lives lost and those lives changed forever, in an instant, by someone with no regard for the sanctity of human life. Say a prayer for the victims and the families.

I'm not sure what steps, if any, can ever be taken to ensure that incidents like this can't happen. We live in a free society, and that imbues in all of us a responsibility to act in a way that respects the rights of others. The assassin that murdered these representatives of our democracy is a hideous manifestation of that lack of responsibility.

There are already pundits talking about people other than the shooter being responsible for his actions. He, alone, pulled the trigger...it was his choice to embark on the killing of innocent people. He made the choice and will suffer the consequences. Unfortunately, many will try to cast him as a product of something other than his own warped mind.

 

[jag312]

The anti-gun extremists just wait for a tragedy like this to advance the anti-gun agenda. Right now they are dancing in the blood.

 

[infamous209]

This is tragic! I can also smell the Anti-gun talk starting up. I hope the Pro gun states hold their ground. Obviously his web site and anti american talk should have sent up a red flag long before he purchased the handgun. We all must remember guns dont kill people, stupid mutha f@##$rs with guns kill people.

 

[walnutred]

Given there were multiple people killed, who was the "victim?"

That said, why do you "find the choice of victim very interesting"?

If the Congresswoman was the intended target this could easily be described as a "Mexican" style political hit. She is a conservative Democrat who has spoken in favor of stiffening up border security and the shooting took place at a time that would be ideally suited distract from the new Republicans in Congress making waves.

The hit man is a 22 year old kid whose mental condition makes it questionable that he held down a job for any length of time, yet he has around $600 worth of firearm and accessory magazine. There is an accomplice who witnesses say took off, but no one saw the accomplice shoot. Sounds like the accomplice was there to make sure the shooter went through with the hit.

Just saying, I find the choice of victim as well as the timing and other factors interesting. The National Press blaming Palin and Beck almost before the smoke cleared, a relatively conservative Congress woman as the apparent victim, the shooters own Leftist blog site, the shooting taking place in a increasingly anti-illegal immigrant border State. To name a few.

 

[badguybuster]

It is very tragic but as was said earlier, we are in for some backlash. Every new article I read was sure to include the 2 30 round mags and 2 15 round mags. It is peculiar that she had no protection detail around her, dont you think?? I mean hell he basically walked right up to her.

 

[captainjohnsofd]

Before we go supporting bans on this and that remember the object in question did not purchase itself, load itself, carry itself to the incident, pick out a target, and start pulling its own trigger. This was done by a nutcase who hates this country. The spin machine is already trying to pin the blame on Sarah Palin. After the funerals there will be shrill cries to ban this and that. Be prepared for the worst. I personally feel there is more to this story- there is an unknown accomplice out there. The whole thing sounds fishy to me. Not only did this nut shoot a Congresswoman, but killed a federal judge and a 9 year old girl. Call me a conspiracy theorist if you want but this incident stinks.

 

[moonclip]

While discussing this with my wife, I was told "you're going to hell". I stated that I'd pray for a complete recovery for the woman, for two reasons.

While I don't agree with her support of Obamacare, she has backed some good legislation and no one deserves what happened to her.

Now the "I'm going to hell" part according to my wife. I want Giffords to recover completely because we don't need another anti-gun poster child like Jim Brady. Yes, I know Giffords was pro-gun yesterday morning. We'll see what the furure holds. Additionally, her personal beliefs, pro or con, will mean nothing to the anti-gun lobby.

......moon

 

[windypoint]

I live in Tucson part time and the entire city is in shock. As to the question of why a local ccw person not responding, I would guess that the crowd attending would be unlikely to be a CCW crowd. I didn't vote for Gifford, but I certainly would not want to see this happen. I hope for the best for all in the hospital. I hope calmer heads prevail when this is reviewed by Congress.

 

[The Big D]

Understood; was venting my frustration that soooooo many are seemingly ignoring the dead victims while grieving Congressman Giffords. This entire event sickens me...for so many reasons.

Be safe.

If the Congresswoman was the intended target this could easily be described as a "Mexican" style political hit. She is a conservative Democrat who has spoken in favor of stiffening up border security and the shooting took place at a time that would be ideally suited distract from the new Republicans in Congress making waves.

The hit man is a 22 year old kid whose mental condition makes it questionable that he held down a job for any length of time, yet he has around $600 worth of firearm and accessory magazine. There is an accomplice who witnesses say took off, but no one saw the accomplice shoot. Sounds like the accomplice was there to make sure the shooter went through with the hit.

Just saying, I find the choice of victim as well as the timing and other factors interesting. The National Press blaming Palin and Beck almost before the smoke cleared, a relatively conservative Congress woman as the apparent victim, the shooters own Leftist blog site, the shooting taking place in a increasingly anti-illegal immigrant border State. To name a few.

 

[yaktamer]

I think we all agree this was the act of an unbalanced person. As to what members of Congress will now do, keep in mind this: SHE was a member of that Congress, and from what I have been reading a well-regarded one.

One of the things that struck me from the articles I have read was how good a shot this kid was. He used a Glock 19, recently and legally purchased (with an extended magazine according to one report), and for just about every round he fired, he hit someone. The other thing that sticks in my mind was that some citizen tackled him and held him down until the authorities came to arrest him. Now that is a citizen.

A lot of pain should come from this event, especially when coupled with what happened recently at Fort Hood (also with a legally purchased handgun with a super-high-capacity magazine by a nutcase). In my opinion, one of the first pains should be the abolition of super-high-capacity magazines, probably nationwide. My state, California, already has a ten round limit. Many consider this to be an unforgiveable infringement on our Second Amendment rights. I was neutral on this topic, but now I would approve of such a law. I have several handguns in strategic places in our house. The most rounds any hold are 13 + 1 -- that being the Browning Hi Power I carried as my personal weapon during several Vietnam deployments. The others carry half that or less, and will do the job. And so can I.

Go ahead, let me have it.

Jack

So you'd be good with a ban on anything other than single shots?

 

[yaktamer]

If the Congresswoman was the intended target this could easily be described as a "Mexican" style political hit. She is a conservative Democrat who has spoken in favor of stiffening up border security and the shooting took place at a time that would be ideally suited distract from the new Republicans in Congress making waves.

The hit man is a 22 year old kid whose mental condition makes it questionable that he held down a job for any length of time, yet he has around $600 worth of firearm and accessory magazine. There is an accomplice who witnesses say took off, but no one saw the accomplice shoot. Sounds like the accomplice was there to make sure the shooter went through with the hit.

Just saying, I find the choice of victim as well as the timing and other factors interesting. The National Press blaming Palin and Beck almost before the smoke cleared, a relatively conservative Congress woman as the apparent victim, the shooters own Leftist blog site, the shooting taking place in a increasingly anti-illegal immigrant border State. To name a few.

It may not make for an intriguing story, but nearly every indication thus far really seems to be that this is simply the proverbial lone nutjob. As far as his being able to get $600, he apparently has some illegal drug history, and it's not unheard of for people to steal to support a habit. I see people all the time with no visible means of support carrying wads of cash. In fact, just last week I dealt with a severely mentally ill homeless guy, who thinks he is Jim Croce and owns Wells Fargo, who was carrying a roll big enough to choke a horse.

As far as conspiracies, I say, "When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras."