So like the title says.................. let's talk about M&P failure's. Particularly the M&P pistols! This stiory begins with me going to the local gun dealer who, surpiise surprise doesn't own one. Well he also runs a CCW class here in OHIO where I live. And oh yea, might I add he doesn't sell them either. But anyway I was in his shop browsing the other night and mentioned that I wanted the M&P40c to CCW. Well he starts to explaing to me that he has seen Alot! of M&P's fail during his classes and how they're made like ****. I just don't see how that's possible when it is being issued to my Cincinnati police department!
m&p Failure's
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BrianE
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I have an M&P9 FS, M&P9c and a M&P45 FS and shoot them very often and yet to have a failure of any kind. Opinions are like ............. everyone has one.
Well, any gun can fail; if you haven't experienced gun failure, you just haven't shot enough.
However, the M&Ps I see at USPSA and IDPA matches seem to be reliable. All the failures/problems I've personally witnessed have been ammo or sights in stock guns. Modification kits can be improperly installed or adjusted.
I've seen the FO sights broken out, and improperly secured rear sights come loose and shift, which is annoying but not particualrly difficult to quickly repair.
M&P chambers seem to run fairly tight (within SAAMI standards) and will choke on "Glocked" .40s. We had one M&P shooter with 9mm WWB ammo choke on 3 cartridges in one box, but when I checked them in a Brn HP, they would not go in it either--bad ammo.
I've run into some brand nazis, and frankly they bore me to tears. We had one notable PIA at our range who preached constantly about his "Perfect Glock" until it broke right in the middle of a match--just moments after he announced to everyone "now watch perfection in action."
However, the M&Ps I see at USPSA and IDPA matches seem to be reliable. All the failures/problems I've personally witnessed have been ammo or sights in stock guns. Modification kits can be improperly installed or adjusted.
I've seen the FO sights broken out, and improperly secured rear sights come loose and shift, which is annoying but not particualrly difficult to quickly repair.
M&P chambers seem to run fairly tight (within SAAMI standards) and will choke on "Glocked" .40s. We had one M&P shooter with 9mm WWB ammo choke on 3 cartridges in one box, but when I checked them in a Brn HP, they would not go in it either--bad ammo.
I've run into some brand nazis, and frankly they bore me to tears. We had one notable PIA at our range who preached constantly about his "Perfect Glock" until it broke right in the middle of a match--just moments after he announced to everyone "now watch perfection in action."
chuck s
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Jay --
The M&P9 is the darling and recommenced pistol at Tactical Defense Institute in Adams County. Take your "CCW" course from them, not some local guy padding out NRA Basic Pistol to 12 hours. Fully equipped range, etc. Even if you have your Ohio CHL take their Pistol 1, 2, and 3 course and learn how to shoot. Already know how to shoot? Take it anyway.
(No such thing as "CCW" in Ohio, of course, your Concealed Handgun License only covers -- wait for it! -- concealed handguns.
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-- Chuck
The M&P9 is the darling and recommenced pistol at Tactical Defense Institute in Adams County. Take your "CCW" course from them, not some local guy padding out NRA Basic Pistol to 12 hours. Fully equipped range, etc. Even if you have your Ohio CHL take their Pistol 1, 2, and 3 course and learn how to shoot. Already know how to shoot? Take it anyway.
(No such thing as "CCW" in Ohio, of course, your Concealed Handgun License only covers -- wait for it! -- concealed handguns.
)-- Chuck
philmontscout
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Just because a guy doesnt own a gun that he may sell, means nothing. And on the part about not selling, I know many gun shops that dont sell certain brands mainly due to bad sales reps selling to THEM, credit issues, or just spite due to a 20 year old fight about some stupid item.
M&Ps are great guns.
M&Ps are great guns.
M&P Reliability
I have two full size M&P pistols, a 9mm and 40 cal. I shot the 40 cal in the Friday Night Steel matches at the Fairfield Sportsmen's Association range near Cincinnati for a full season. I fired probably about 3000 rounds of handloaded ammunition in this league and a about a thousand more in practice. I had no failures of any kind.
In my experience, gun dealers are usually quite lacking in actual shooting knowledge. They know about buying and selling guns, but not necessarily about shooting them.
- - Buckspen
I have two full size M&P pistols, a 9mm and 40 cal. I shot the 40 cal in the Friday Night Steel matches at the Fairfield Sportsmen's Association range near Cincinnati for a full season. I fired probably about 3000 rounds of handloaded ammunition in this league and a about a thousand more in practice. I had no failures of any kind.
In my experience, gun dealers are usually quite lacking in actual shooting knowledge. They know about buying and selling guns, but not necessarily about shooting them.
- - Buckspen
Why would he endorse a product he doesn't sell? If fact, many do just the opposite. Every make has its share of failures, the M&P is no exception. It's a fine gun, and I'd have bought one instead of my G30 if the price had been a little better.
Pokerstar
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Not to pile on, but from personal experience, my M&P 45 has been 100% reliable, from round 1. I use it for tactical 3-gun matches as well as just plain plinking. I have several thousand rounds through it, and it is one of my go-to pistols for carry as I have complete faith in it.
Anything mechanical can fail, anything made by man and / or machine can be imperfect. The key is, don't take 1 persons opinion on anything, look around, ask around and form your own opinion.
Anything mechanical can fail, anything made by man and / or machine can be imperfect. The key is, don't take 1 persons opinion on anything, look around, ask around and form your own opinion.
Dragon88
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"Just plain wore out" after three years and 20,000 rounds? That's really not a lot... What do you mean by wore out?
My M&P Full Size .40 has over 15,000 rounds downrange without a bobble of any kind and is still going strong.Actually it is constantly improving!
Ronmanci...What is wore out on your gun after only 20K? Just curious...
Randy
Ronmanci...What is wore out on your gun after only 20K? Just curious...
Randy
HAGEN
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M&Ps
A lot of Background and Testing is done before L.E. changes
Firearms.
Check the Big IDPA/USPSA Matches for how many M&Ps are used and Do Not Go Down.
Everybody has a opinion but Numbers tell the Story.
A lot of Background and Testing is done before L.E. changes
Firearms.
Check the Big IDPA/USPSA Matches for how many M&Ps are used and Do Not Go Down.
Everybody has a opinion but Numbers tell the Story.
Well he actually functions his very own ccw class.
tacreload
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Jknox
I work part time for a small gun shop and as far as semi autos go we have sold more M&Ps than anything else.Never had any negative feedback on any of them.Maybe we're just lucky.My own M&P 40c did have a failure to feed that turned out to be magazine issue long since resolved.If this man does not sell or own one I doubt he can be viewed as an authority.And by the way what constitutes "a lot".By the way I am in no way an authority on anything nor do I profess to be.We are in our lives blessed with many self proclaimed experts.I call them armchair adventurers.I also have found that I learn a lot more with my ears open and my mouth shut cause there are many more intelligent people out there than me.Hope this helps.
I work part time for a small gun shop and as far as semi autos go we have sold more M&Ps than anything else.Never had any negative feedback on any of them.Maybe we're just lucky.My own M&P 40c did have a failure to feed that turned out to be magazine issue long since resolved.If this man does not sell or own one I doubt he can be viewed as an authority.And by the way what constitutes "a lot".By the way I am in no way an authority on anything nor do I profess to be.We are in our lives blessed with many self proclaimed experts.I call them armchair adventurers.I also have found that I learn a lot more with my ears open and my mouth shut cause there are many more intelligent people out there than me.Hope this helps.
Reggie Dunlop
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The original post reaks of BS.
A gun shop owner with an opinion like this on the M&P is either stupid or fictional.
A gun shop owner with an opinion like this on the M&P is either stupid or fictional.
stevegartx
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M & P s are great guns ,I own 2 M&Ps now . I plan on buying at lease 3 more .Later on ,But don't tell my wife .
SMMAssociates
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Well I've got three of 'em. One had a dead trigger problem due to the DCAEK issues that are covered here and elsewhere. But that's entirely due to having just put the kit in. Randy put the MA-Compliant sear spring and plunger in the gun for me, and all was well....
I don't consider that an S&W failure, although the S&W design, in afterthought, looks a little wrong....
I don't think that the failure rates on the M&P are any worse than anything else in the Tuppergun category. Or, for that matter, about any "Service" gun or "Service" BUG (i.e. the Compacts).
Sounds like the usual "Para's are made from soft steel" that you'll get from a dealer that doesn't sell them, or makes more money on some other brand....
Regards,
I don't consider that an S&W failure, although the S&W design, in afterthought, looks a little wrong....
I don't think that the failure rates on the M&P are any worse than anything else in the Tuppergun category. Or, for that matter, about any "Service" gun or "Service" BUG (i.e. the Compacts).
Sounds like the usual "Para's are made from soft steel" that you'll get from a dealer that doesn't sell them, or makes more money on some other brand....
Regards,
Worn down would have been a better choice. It still functioned fine, but compared to a brand new one the gun was very "loose". The trigger just wasn't the same anymore, rails were shaved a little allowing the slide to play. The backstrap pin got loose all the time. I got $300 for it on trade, so I replaced it with a 2011.
twomoons
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folks,in my part of the country,the mp semi has taken over as the gun to get.
for the money,and versatility,sw has hit a home run with this gun,and i hear that talk from a lot of experienced gunsmiths,and respected pistol packin people.they love them.
i nevr thought i would trade my beloved sig guns,but to me,my mp guns have at least 30% less recoil,felt or percieved ,the gun is dramtically easier for me to shoot.i love it.
my 2 cents from a person who is just a novice when it comes to opinions on what is a good gun.
for the money,and versatility,sw has hit a home run with this gun,and i hear that talk from a lot of experienced gunsmiths,and respected pistol packin people.they love them.
i nevr thought i would trade my beloved sig guns,but to me,my mp guns have at least 30% less recoil,felt or percieved ,the gun is dramtically easier for me to shoot.i love it.
my 2 cents from a person who is just a novice when it comes to opinions on what is a good gun.
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