S&W Knives made in China

mkk41 said:
You sound like those people who complain about Jap-Scrap and ride a new Harley.
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"complain about Jap-Scrap (that was my fathers generation):D and ride a new Harley" (I do not) nor do I need one. I like tangible things that appreciate in value slowly over time and that are generally timeless; gold, silver, guns, nice knives, pro-grade hand tools, etc. I am not against China as I have a Chinese Silver Panda, but silver is silver at .999% pure. Japan started as Harbor Freight type low-end stuff, but now Japan is a leader in high end steel today. Japan is above Germany and the USA in some knife areas. China is no where near this. Someday maybe, but not today and not close. BTY, I have been to China and Japan many times.

I did some missions with a French Foreign Legion officer in Afghanistan and he was very proud to own a S&W .357 revolver in France and said so. He would not be proud to have a S&W knife. He carried a Cold Steel, but wanted a Randall made Knife (Florida) like those from WWII carried.

My only point is the S&W knives are not brand enhancing like the guns are.
 
Some of the early S&W knives I have are marked Made in Taiwan , which of course now is under full Chinese control. Bought them from MSC Industrial Supply.

I'm a toolmaker by trade and have Rockwell tested some of my blades and they're right about 60c , they take and hold an edge well.

Now the Winchester branded blades sold at WalMart , yes , they're junk.

A few years back Columbia River Knife & Tool blades were the hottest thing going. Now , CRKT knives are made in China.
 
CRKT knives have great designs, but the only Soldier I saw in Afghanistan with a rusty knife was a CRKT. It was rusting attached to his vest and he was not happy. They also fall into my buy cheap and leave in truck type knives. The CRKT Carson Design M16-14DSFG was the best size knife for me that I have ever found.

Winchester is Gerber Knives cheap import line and very poor QC.

I read some place that the Taiwain knife factory is the largest in the world.
 
I didnt read all the posts in this thread, so forgive me if someone has already touched on this..

How about Springfield Armory. They have a new one out called the XDm40 and molded right into the frame is "Made in Croatia"...

I was gonna look for some Springfields 1911 style micro .45s at the next gun show... But not any more. Ill look at others that are still made here in the good ol USA
 
Punisher102 said:
I didnt read all the posts in this thread, so forgive me if someone has already touched on this..

How about Springfield Armory. They have a new one out called the XDm40 and molded right into the frame is "Made in Croatia"...

I was gonna look for some Springfields 1911 style micro .45s at the next gun show... But not any more. Ill look at others that are still made here in the good ol USA
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Well , in case ya don't know , most of Springfield Inc.s 1911s are made in Brazil. And those models that ya think are made 'here' , are made from raw or semi-finished forgings made in Brazil. Always have been. But thankfully they are NOT made by Taurus. the forgings and finished guns are made by Itajuba , aka , Imbel and are very high quality.
 
Stuff made overseas

I retired from the Nat. Guard as a full time mechanic and it made me sick to find that a lot of the parts we were using were made outside of the US. For example the radiators on the jeeps were made in Isreal and bearings in Bulgaria. As far as knives go here in TN Smokey Mountain Knife works has knives made in China by the hundreds of thousands and sells them on TV for anywhere from 6 to 20 dollars. They can sell genuine stag handle knives that are good quality for 10 dollars. Just think what the people are getting that make them and you know SMKW is making a profit. I collect a few knives mostly Case and Queen but will not buy a Chinese or any other made with slave labor. JM2C
 
Branned2010 said:
S&W Knives made in China:mad:

Love S&W handguns…great quality.:D I hate that S&W knives are made in China and I have none due to just that. I do have tons of made in USA Spyderco folding knives and Ontario Fixed blade Knives that are made in the USA. I think S&W cheapens their name with their knives:eek:
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Oh I don't know about that, I think S&W real problem can be repaired with getting rid of the lawyer lock found on most of their new revolvers,
far as the knives go, they just sold out a lil' bit, not like Ingersoll Rand, Black & Decker and some other companies whose products are synonomus with the words "Planned Obsolesence"
 
Great comments. I too am sick and tired of imported junk. I'm sorry but I haven't seen any Chinese steel that was worth the effort to forge it. I have one, yes 1, Chinese knife (thought it was made here) and it's in my tackle box - looks nice but won't cut and won't hold an edge. I'm willing to pay the extra money for American made goods because I know the quality will be be there. Bought any hardware (screws, nuts, bolts, etc) lately, don't get me started. Let's modernize our steel mills by being a little more industry friendly, and get them back up and running. If you want me to buy an S&W branded knife, you are going to have to make it here.
 
The last person said in his last sentence.

S&W branded knife. These knives that you all speak of are most likely all made in the same place. NOT by S&W. (we know that) but S&W is just leasing their name to be put on them. They (S&W) have nothing to do with them other then the name. I work for one of the largest companies in the world, and our name,,, er meatball is on thousand of items that we do not make. They lease the name to other companies.

So just because it says S&W doesnt mean its made by them or even for them. Its just marketing on the china's end to get us to buy it.
 
Punisher102 said:
The last person said in his last sentence.

S&W branded knife. These knives that you all speak of are most likely all made in the same place. NOT by S&W. (we know that) but S&W is just leasing their name to be put on them. They (S&W) have nothing to do with them other then the name. I work for one of the largest companies in the world, and our name,,, er meatball is on thousand of items that we do not make. They lease the name to other companies.

So just because it says S&W doesnt mean its made by them or even for them. Its just marketing on the china's end to get us to buy it.
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Exactly, besides If the knives were really made by S&W you'd know it by the lawyer lock each one would be equipped with.
 
Wow, now I feel bad...

Last summer, I caught a closeout on a S&W Bowie, clearly marked made in China, and it's a darned decent knife in a really decent scabbard. For $27.00 OTD, you'd better believe it came home! Hell, even if it turned into a "throw-down", it's worth that!
Fer all the whinin', how many people over the years have swooned over Belgian Brownings?
To be honest, I'd just as soon pay the Chinese as give money to the unions here! (all ya gots to do is take a look at where a great big old chunk of the Prez's money, and Dingy Harry's election funds came from, and it's reason enough for me to not contribute)
When you hold your finger out and point at someone, take a second and see how many are pointed back at yourself.
I'd have nothing but "Made in the USA" in my house, yard, and my vehicles, if I could afford 'em and they were available, but they're NOT.
 
At middle age I like nice things. Knives are made in the USA (with no availability or even a real price issue problem here). Yes, its $50 vs $20. I know of nothing made in China that is top rated? Anyone know anything made in China that is top rated? I have pans, water filters, and a few knives made by the Swiss as they make great stuff. It’s not an anti-China thing it's a China produces bottom level products and if I wanted bottom level product (revolvers) I would get Taurus not S&W. Are Taurus revolvers as nice as S&W? I do not think so. They are cheaper and with a cheaper reputation also. Heck, S&W is now coping Taurus with the new .410 revolver, but that does not make me want a Taurus one.

I for one do not plan on leaving my kids/grandkids Taurus and China knives…just me!:D
 
To add to the confusion and complexity, the Kahr company, which also owns Auto Ordnance is owned by the Moonies (Unification Church). The products are manufactured in the US (last I heard), but the company is owned by the Moonies. I don't know about you guys, but I WOULD NOT buy a gun from them. I'm not giving them my money for any reason.
 
azasadny said:
To add to the confusion and complexity, the Kahr company, which also owns Auto Ordnance is owned by the Moonies (Unification Church). The products are manufactured in the US (last I heard), but the company is owned by the Moonies. I don't know about you guys, but I WOULD NOT buy a gun from them. I'm not giving them my money for any reason.
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Dammit,
Why didn't you tell me that two months ago when I bought all the Kahr guns?
 
azasadny said:
but the company is owned by the Moonies. I don't know about you guys, but I WOULD NOT buy a gun from them. I'm not giving them my money for any reason.
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No , it's not. It is owned by the son of Rev. Sun Yung Moon , founder of that Unification church , but he has nothing to do with his father. Supposedly , he's quite embarrassed by him.

Would you rather deal with the pedifile filled Roman Catholic Church
 
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china mart sells these for 5-10 bucks around christmas....(woops....holiday time..dont want to piss off any libs) a few years back a gift set was given to me...i carried the knife a few times up until the top quarter of the blade broke right off...i will stick with spyderco, benchmade and cold steel...they have never failed, not the lock, not the blade..they hold an edge even after alot of use/abuse.


1-1917 said:
Chinese metalurgy is still in the dark ages. I wouldn't trust my life with anything made of metal from China.
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1-1917 said:
Chinese metalurgy is still in the dark ages. I wouldn't trust my life with anything made of metal from China.
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This is the kind of head-up-yer-butt thinking behind Americas losing it's manufacturing base. Several US steel and metal companies are doing business in China , with more modern furnaces and cheaper labor. Cheaper mining labor and vast resources too. Millions of tons of steel and other metals are brought from China , rerolled , and marked USA. I used to work for a Mueller plant , one of the worlds largest copper , brass and aluminum companies. We'd get Chinese metals , rework it , and VIOLA , Made in USA.

BTW, The last Boker I bought had a blade made in China.
 
mkk41 said:
This is the kind of head-up-yer-butt thinking behind Americas losing it's manufacturing base. Several US steel and metal companies are doing business in China , with more modern furnaces and cheaper labor. Cheaper mining labor and vast resources too. Millions of tons of steel and other metals are brought from China , rerolled , and marked USA. I used to work for a Mueller plant , one of the worlds largest copper , brass and aluminum companies. We'd get Chinese metals , rework it , and VIOLA , Made in USA.BTW, The last Boker I bought had a blade made in China.
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China does not have all bad steel, but true high end knives and steel come from Japan, German, Italy, and the USA. So far there is nothing made in China that I have that is something that I really like, just use. That day may change, but is not here yet.
 
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