Open Carry

[27145]

Ya that is how guys generally get into that unit. Some had hooks or got "involved" in something heavy where they got a high medal and were offered what ever they wanted.

Most NYPD do not like to write tickets, so they generally do not want to go to hwy.

 

[bk43]

Folks that are steadfast and dead set on a certain belief, aren't likely to give it up for anything you or I could ever tell or show them.

I agree which is why I wonder why the OC carry folks keep trying to rub the anti's nose in it. Let it go...their mind's made up no matter what you do or think. Their little minds aren't affecting any of the RKBA crowd be they OC or CC types anyway.

Bob

 

[cshoff]

I agree which is why I wonder why the OC carry folks keep trying to rub the anti's nose in it. Let it go...their mind's made up no matter what you do or think. Their little minds aren't affecting any of the RKBA crowd be they OC or CC types anyway.

Bob

I'm not sure how they are "rubbing their nose in it". If a person chooses to lawfully open carry, then great. If, however, another person chooses to be offended by it, then that is their problem. You have no right to NOT be offended. The fact that some people might take offense to the exercise of a certain right is in no way a good reason not to exercise that right. I dare say that free and protected speech offends more people than the lawful exercise of any other right, yet I'd guess that very few here would advocate infringing on that right.

 

[oldman45]

I agree which is why I wonder why the OC carry folks keep trying to rub the anti's nose in it. Let it go...their mind's made up no matter what you do or think. Their little minds aren't affecting any of the RKBA crowd be they OC or CC types anyway.

Bob

One of my favorite shooting partners was a staunch anti gunner just four yrs ago. We had many discussions and he came around. People are not forced into a change of belief but change due to reason and facts. This former anti gunner now has several nice guns and would have more if he could get them past his wife.

 

[jimmyj]

And there I was, the only cavalry man left, low on ammo and the Indians circling the wagon train.............

and off in the distant I heard a bugle call, saw the sunlight glinting off sabers and guidons, and the column of blue shirted troopers riding in to bring safety to the wagon train. God Bless the U.S. Cavalry.

 

[ArmedBadger]

If, however, another person chooses to be offended by it, then that is their problem.

In Wisconsin that's reason for Disorderly Conduct for Open Carriers. Many have been detained and charged.

Our Police Chief in Milwaukee Edward Flynn instructed his officers in a memo; "if you see anybody carrying a gun on the streets of Milwaukee, we'll put them on the ground, take the gun away and then decide whether you have a right to carry it."

Just a few more reasons Open Carry isn't such a bright idea in Milwaukee Wisconsin.

 

[NKJ nut]

Some of these open carry clowns , er , advocates , and forums make it sound like you are a closet anti-gun if you don't open carry 24-7. They think they can shock & awe anti-gun people into accepting firearms.

I agree wholeheartedly. Personally I think the shock and awe they cause could pose a threat to the ability of any of us to legally carry even concealed. Our state constitution specifically says "the state legislature may regulate the wearing of arms". For most of the state's history that meant a prohibition on carrying a firearm for self protection and it could happen again. Fortunately OC doesn't seem to be very common in my area even though it is legal with a carry permit. I know exactly 4 people that do it. Each of them are idiots. Not because they OC but because they have been idiots all their life. They are all prone to other types of bizarre behavior as well. They will tell you they do it because they can. I have no idea if they are typical OC folks or not but it does make me wonder. FWIW I can climb on top of the house and jump off because I can but I don't do it. It serves no purpose and would probably hurt me. I feel the same about OC.

 

[cshoff]

In Wisconsin that's reason for Disorderly Conduct for Open Carriers. Many have been detained and charged.

That dog doesn't hunt in Missouri. Our "disorderly conduct" statutes are very clear, and a person conducting himself in a lawful manner doesn't risk violating those statutes regardless of how offended someone else is.

Our Police Chief in Milwaukee Edward Flynn instructed his officers in a memo; "if you see anybody carrying a gun on the streets of Milwaukee, we'll put them on the ground, take the gun away and then decide whether you have a right to carry it."

Yes, but if you recall, Chief Flynn was quickly put into his place by AG Hollen:

http://www.doj.state.wi.us/news/files/FinalOpenCarryMemo.pdf

Just a few more reasons Open Carry isn't such a bright idea in Milwaukee Wisconsin.

I just don't find the possibility for unlawful conduct by a police officer to be a good reason to NOT lawfully exercise a right. In fact, it seems to me that the possibility for that kind of conduct would be one of the reasons why somebody WOULD lawfully exercise that right. If people won't exercise a right out of fear of abuse of power by police, we have truly devolved into a police state whereby rights protected in our Constitution mean absolutely nothing.

 

[ladder13]

So...... anyone have a handgun with the IL?

 

[therevjay]

I've said this before, and every time I do I make someone angry. Hmmm, I don't care I'll say it again.

If you live in a rural area O.C. is most likely just fine. If you live in a small town it's still probably OK. If you live in a major metropoliton area, it's just plain stupid.

You are asking some exicitable idiot to start screaming "help police, he's got a gun" The same police will have you 'splaing yourself all day. (and maybe half the night, legal or not)

Also your dareing some drunk or other trouble maker to either start a fight or try to steal/take that gun.

And finaly, why give up your big advantage over the BG's ? Which is of course suprise.

 

[NKJ nut]

So...... anyone have a handgun with the IL?

I know what you are thinking but you can't take it out and put it in the computer. Just use the ignore button like Mr. Lee said

 

[Springfeildkid585]

This concept seems a bit strange to me, I guess because I don't remember seeing anyone carrying non-concealed.

My state allows a registered handgun owner that does not hold a concealed carry license to carry non-concealed in public (with restrictions and at the private property owners discretion).

I will be applying for a concealed carry license in a month or so. My question is wait for the CCW or open carry for the time being.

Thanks.

If you feel comfortable with it go for it. I also suggest dressing cleancut and wearing a leather hip-holster, to the untrained civilian, you might seem like an off duty(I don't condone impersonateing an officer, I just mean let them assume) and draw a little less attention. The other method if you're not big on looking clean-cut, get comfortable carrying from a 5 o'clock, not visible from the front but accessible and not technechly concealed.

 

[NKJ nut]

I've said this before, and every time I do I make someone angry. Hmmm, I don't care I'll say it again.

If you live in a rural area O.C. is most likely just fine. If you live in a small town it's still probably OK. If you live in a major metropoliton area, it's just plain stupid.

You are asking some exicitable idiot to start screaming "help police, he's got a gun" The same police will have you 'splaing yourself all day. (and maybe half the night, legal or not)

Also your dareing some drunk or other trouble maker to either start a fight or try to steal/take that gun.

And finaly, why give up your big advantage over the BG's ? Which is of course suprise.

But hey, if you want to make a statement why not spend your time making one to the police. Unless of course you have better things to do with your time

Big advantage over the BG being surprise? Don't you know that reaction beats action everytime? Matt Dillon never was beat and those bad guys saw his gun and got to draw first. Do you want to be like Matt Dillon walking the streets of Dodge or do you want to hide your gun like some card sharp?

BTW, this post was made in jest. Jest because I could of course

 

[27145]

If you feel comfortable with it go for it. I also suggest dressing cleancut and wearing a leather hip-holster, to the untrained civilian, you might seem like an off duty(I don't condone impersonateing an officer, I just mean let them assume) and draw a little less attention. The other method if you're not big on looking clean-cut, get comfortable carrying from a 5 o'clock, not visible from the front but accessible and not technechly concealed.

I recommend wearing a Catholic school girl outfit. Shave the beard if you do, otherwise you will just look silly.

 

[Springfeildkid585]

Our Police Chief in Milwaukee Edward Flynn instructed his officers in a memo; "if you see anybody carrying a gun on the streets of Milwaukee, we'll put them on the ground, take the gun away and then decide whether you have a right to carry it."

And he should be fired and then tried and imprisioned.

 

[cshoff]

And he should be fired and then tried and imprisioned.

Looking at the mentality of some of the people here, you kind of get the idea that they think it is perfectly okay for law enforcement to act outside of the law, but not at all okay for the citizen to act within the law. Bunch of true patriots, I tell ya.

 

[27145]

Looking at the mentality of some of the people here, you kind of get the idea that they think it is perfectly okay for law enforcement to act outside of the law, but not at all okay for the citizen to act within the law. Bunch of true patriots, I tell ya.

I actually don't like when Cops step over the line. But at this point we may as well get some laughs.

 

[cshoff]

I actually don't like when Cops step over the line. But at this point we may as well get some laughs.

You weren't "one" of the "some" I was referring to.

 

[ArmedBadger]

Someone else posted, I think it was in this thread, "if you don't Open Carry, the Open Carry crowd will act as if you anti-gun"

Why is that? I support your right to Open Carry. I just don't want to, I have no desires to Open Carry.

That means, I have a hard time understanding the desire to Open Carry when Concealed Carry is available. But I do agree that you should be able to open carry anywhere I can cc.

But if we're in the grocery store checkout line, I'll know you are armed, and so will everyone else. You won't even notice me.

And that's the way I want it.

 

[oldman45]

In Wisconsin that's reason for Disorderly Conduct for Open Carriers. Many have been detained and charged.

Our Police Chief in Milwaukee Edward Flynn instructed his officers in a memo; "if you see anybody carrying a gun on the streets of Milwaukee, we'll put them on the ground, take the gun away and then decide whether you have a right to carry it."

Just a few more reasons Open Carry isn't such a bright idea in Milwaukee Wisconsin.

OK, my questions:

1. Is OC legal in Milwaukee?
2. If so, did the Police Chief put his orders in writing or on video?
3. If so, why has he not been charged with Mafeasence of Office?

It is places like the above that causes law abiding citizens to be afraid of the laws when they have not done anything wrong.

If I were a citizen there, I would promptly file a Class Action suit against the Police Chief, and if he is appointed, the person that appointed him. He seems he is not enforcing the laws but trying to circumvent the law.