681ismyfavorite
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now the trick is getting a "served 10 years honorably" i.d.
LEOSA- Retired LEO qaulification
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On my job that is called a "Good guy" letter. It is a letter that say's: 'so an so was employed by so and so dept. from jan 1983 to jan 2003 and retired in good standing or resigned in good standing."
If I am not mistaken, LEOSA requires that the individual must:
1) be a qualifying ACTIVE or HONORABLY RETIRED peace officer with VALID credentials issued by his/her agency AND
2) carry a "qualification card" issued by an approved government entity, verifying that the individual has satisfactorily completed a course of fire meeting the minimum requirements set forth under the act.
I don't believe the act covers individuals who have served honorably for the minimum duration required under the act, but who separated from service for whatever reason BEFORE actual retirement.
If someone knows differently, I would be interested to learn more about this.
1) be a qualifying ACTIVE or HONORABLY RETIRED peace officer with VALID credentials issued by his/her agency AND
2) carry a "qualification card" issued by an approved government entity, verifying that the individual has satisfactorily completed a course of fire meeting the minimum requirements set forth under the act.
I don't believe the act covers individuals who have served honorably for the minimum duration required under the act, but who separated from service for whatever reason BEFORE actual retirement.
If someone knows differently, I would be interested to learn more about this.
681ismyfavorite
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there was an amendment that obama of all people signed that has went into effect.....10 aggregated years of service and seperation under honorable terms now falls under the LEOSA. the problem is how do you get an i.d. for that? 5 years with dept. A, 5 years with dept. Z, 10 years total....now what? hope for the best?
i will look for a link, my google powers are still groggy right now....
i will look for a link, my google powers are still groggy right now....
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LEOSA improvement act changed it.
(C) in paragraph (3)—
(i) in subparagraph (A), by striking ‘‘retirement,
was regularly employed as a law enforcement officer
for an aggregate of 15 years or more’’ and inserting
‘‘separation, served as a law enforcement officer for
an aggregate of 10 years or more’’; and
(ii) in subparagraph (B), by striking ‘‘retired’’ and
inserting ‘‘separated’’;
See the entire act here:
HR 218 LEOSA Improvement
(C) in paragraph (3)—
(i) in subparagraph (A), by striking ‘‘retirement,
was regularly employed as a law enforcement officer
for an aggregate of 15 years or more’’ and inserting
‘‘separation, served as a law enforcement officer for
an aggregate of 10 years or more’’; and
(ii) in subparagraph (B), by striking ‘‘retired’’ and
inserting ‘‘separated’’;
See the entire act here:
HR 218 LEOSA Improvement
I'm glad to hear there has been an amendment to the act that includes non-retired former peace officers to carry, but I can see the difficulty in trying to obtain an ID card attesting to the required minimum service, particularly when that service is spread out among more than one agency. Good luck to those of you out there dealing with this issue.
681ismyfavorite
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id like to see who has been able to do that.
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681ismyfavorite
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my offer?
contact info for what?
im one of those guys with 10 years of policing under my belt. 5 as a trooper in the urban "midwest", and 5 (currently with) with a small town in the deep south.
should i hit the lotto tomorrow, id like to take it easy for the rest of my life.....but dont want to get out of policing entirely, maybe stay on as a reserve....
but reserve policing doesnt count towards the LEOSA in terms of being honorably separated with 10 years of service.....
armsmaster270
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Sacramento Police Officers Assn. hold 3 quals a year and we qualify retired officers that have moved to our area. The summer shoot is also a free BBQ just bring 30 rounds of ammo for the course. PM me if you need info. Also our Qual card is a sticker you put onto your I.D. card.
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i still havent found out how or if anybody else has been able to "prove" their 10 years of police service from two different agencies to be covered under LEOSA.
does one just go along for the ride with the arrest until one is in court and subpoenas from the previous agencies prove the 10 year mark?
does one just go along for the ride with the arrest until one is in court and subpoenas from the previous agencies prove the 10 year mark?
NCW Ray
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See if the city/county/state treasurer...whoever issued your paychecks for the agencies will sign a letter stating your service credit accrual. Another possible option is, did you pay into a retirement system with those agencies, if so, maybe they'd have the necessary documents. Good luck.
The problem is not getting a signed letter certifying service credit. The problem for those with 10 yrs service will be getting a photo ID from the agency in which they separated. A photo ID is required by LEOSA. Just a letter from some treasurer doesn't cut it.
"T18 USC 926C(d)
(d) The identification required by this subsection is -
(1) a photographic identification issued by the agency from which the individual separated from service as a law enforcement officer that indicates that the individual has, not less recently than one year before the date the individual is carrying the concealed firearm, been tested or otherwise found by the agency to meet the active duty standards for qualification in firearms training as established by the agency to carry a firearm of the same type as the concealed firearm; or
(2)(A) a photographic identification issued by the agency from which the individual separated from service as a law enforcement officer; and
(B) a certification issued by the State in which the individual resides or by a certified firearms instructor that is qualified to conduct a firearms qualification test for active duty officers within that State that indicates that the individual has, not less than 1 year before the date the individual is carrying the concealed firearm, been tested or otherwise found by the State or a certified firearms instructor that is qualified to conduct a firearms qualification test for active duty officers within that State to have met - ..."
Far too many people fail to think the scenario thru very far. Many think they can rely on "good faith and trust" from fellow LEOs if stopped and they don't have a photo ID or they haven't completed the annual qual shoot. Your fellow LEO stopping you is the very least of the problem.
Think it thru. You're a retired/separated LEO but your agency doesn't issue an ID card. You decide you're going to carry anyway. Carrying without a photo ID card does not meet the requirements in LEOSA therefore you are not protected by LEOSA. Now you're involved in a shooting. It doesn't matter what friendly LEO shows up. You aren't covered by LEOSA because you didn't meet ALL the requirements of LEOSA. Therefore, you're carrying the gun illegally. You've just jammed yourself up both criminally and civilly. Guess what you're going to be doing the next few years of your retirement? It sure won't be fishing, traveling, and playing golf.
Think it thru. You're a retired/separated LEO but your agency doesn't issue an ID card. You decide you're going to carry anyway. Carrying without a photo ID card does not meet the requirements in LEOSA therefore you are not protected by LEOSA. Now you're involved in a shooting. It doesn't matter what friendly LEO shows up. You aren't covered by LEOSA because you didn't meet ALL the requirements of LEOSA. Therefore, you're carrying the gun illegally. You've just jammed yourself up both criminally and civilly. Guess what you're going to be doing the next few years of your retirement? It sure won't be fishing, traveling, and playing golf.
NCW Ray
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Sorry, I must have read his post wrong, I thought he was having trouble establishing his 10 years of service credit from two different LE agencies. The law is very clear on the Photo ID requirements but he didn't mention that being a problem to obtain.
torrejon224
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Thanks, your doing a great service. I'm in Oregon myself and played hell till I heard about Clackamas County. Two hour drive but you gotta do what you gotta do! I even went as far as getting a CCW to cover my bases.
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