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I have only used 158 gr fmj 38 spl. Found some 130gr fmj winchesters at WM today(100count for $32) so I got several packs. Is there much difference in preformance. I plan on using in them in my 38spl only and my 357's. Trying to get educated??
 
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They'll both punch holes in paper targets just fine. The 158s might impact higher than the 130s.
 
You did not mention anything about barrel length. 130's will shoot low, (I believe.) If I am wrong, someone will speak up. Many Smiths (fixed sights) were set up for 158 gr. I reload, but shoot exclusively 158's, LSWC, if I buy new, I buy 158's, LRN. I do not shoot jacketed. Try the 130's, may be right for you! Bob
 
I think you'll find the 130 gr FMJ load to be quite mild. Generally, they are loaded to duplicate the military issue M41 Ball ctg, but then you'll have all that nice, once-fired brass to reload.

Larry
 
I have only used 158 gr fmj 38 spl. Found some 130gr fmj winchesters at WM today(100count for $32) so I got several packs. Is there much difference in performance. I plan on using in them in my 38spl only and my 357's. Trying to get educated??

Congratulations! $32/100 for .38 Special factory 130 gr. FMJ's is a good price. I use the WWB 130 gr. load in my 4" 28-2. POI is POA at 15 yds. with the revolver sighted in for 158 gr. lead factory loads. I can't see any difference in on target accuracy, etc. at 25 yds. HTH. Sincerely. brucev.
 
I got a 19-4 a few weeks ago, and as it is my first revolver, I've been trying out different ammo types, .38 and .357. I found the WWB 130 FMJ .38s printed the highest, way high. 158 LRN .38 was significantly better, so were Remington +P JHPs. Like someone told me in response to my post on this, .357s were much better. Last night I shot some of the Blazer .357 158gr. JHPs I got cheap the other day, and they were the best yet, pretty much spot on POA as far as I could tell. But actually, I've gotten about the same group size with everything. Only the POI has varied.
 
I bought some of those loads for a class a few years ago.

In my 649-2 they were accurate and shot to the same point of impact as my 158 grain reloads.

I have reloaded the brass from those rounds several times since.
 
If you can find them the best 130 gr. .38 loads are the Fiocchi.
 
My experience in shooting the .38 130gr FMJ in USAF issue and later in commercial versions is that it is plinker grade in accuracy and easily bested by my handloads using WC or SWC quality lead bullets. Practice shooting with the M15 and WC handloads yielded 2" groups at 25yds.

Of course accuracy is relative to the shooter. Someone shooting 8" groups at 25yd with WC wil never notice the difference between 6" ammo and 2" ammo.
 
I found a box of 130's at the range (Federal, I believe). I was shooting my own 158's and getting good groups. When I tried the 130's, they were all over the paper. Went back to the 158's and the groups tightened up immediately. I know guns are individuals, but these 130's in my gun were horrible.
 
130 grn Wincherster Hardball was designed by the Army when they started shooting light weight K frames.

They are quite mild. I had a bunch when I was shooting for the NG. They were accurage enough and you'll only notice the inpact change at 25 yards and further. At 50 yards you can really see the difference.
 
130 grn Wincherster Hardball was designed by the Army when they started shooting light weight K frames.

They are quite mild. I had a bunch when I was shooting for the NG. They were accurage enough and you'll only notice the inpact change at 25 yards and further. At 50 yards you can really see the difference.

Noooooooo ... the 130 gr. was designed by the U.S. Air Force in the 1950s. At the time, the USAF had a .38 snubnose revolver with an aluminum cylinder and barrel.
Up to the early 1950s, the standard .38 Special military load had been a 158 gr. (+ - a few grains) full metal jacketed bullet.
This was too powerful for the light, all-aluminum .38 snubby, so the USAF adopted a lower-powered load: 130 gr. FMJ at about 725 to 750 fps. The all-aluminum .38 snubby proved to be a fiasco, so it was abandoned. But the weaker load was retained for the Air Force's all-steel S&W Model 15 .38 revolvers.
I carried that weak, 130 gr. load in the Air Force for four years, as a Security Policeman. The wadcutters we qualified with had more oomph.
I knew a sergeant who fired at a fleeing vehicle at Clark Air Force Base, Philippines, with the 130 gr. load. He hit the car four times. He emphasized that all the 130 gr. FMJ bullets bounced off the trunk and rear window.
Not a good thing to tell young troops under his charge; we all wondered how our .38s would fare against an aggressor if we had to use them.
In the mid 1970s, Speer made a 150 gr. FMJ +P load. It's the load that the military should have adopted in the first place for its Model 10 and 15 .38 Specials.
I carried them in my Model 15 in Panama when things were hot 1977-78, never telling anyone. Thankfully, I never had to use that (civilian) load or USAF would have hung the rigging on me. Gave me greater confidence with it, though.
The 130 gr. FMJ was an Air Force invention. The USAF adopted the .38 Special as its primary sidearm in 1962, giving up the 1911 .45 ACP.
It's said that Gen. Curtis LeMay, a longtime pistol shooter, decided to abandon the .45 in his USAF because scores were so low and the 1911s were getting worn (at the time, the last military 1911s had been made in World War II).
LeMay wanted his cops to be accurate shooters, so he had the Smith & Wesson Combat Masterpiece .38 Special (later named the Model 15 by S&W) adopted as the official USAF sidearm. I very much liked mine; it was a wonderful sidearm -- hampered only by the weak ammo we were forced to carry.
In the early 1980s, the Air Force finally recognized this failing and adopted a 130 gr. FMJ load with a deeper-seated bullet that gave it much higher velocity. I think it was around 950 to 1,000 fps.
God knows why the factories continue to make the 130 FMJ load. The US military declared the .38 Special obsolete about 1992; the M9 Beretta replaced it.
The .38 may see limited use in the U.S. military, but I doubt it. All those beautiful USAF Model 15s were destroyed by crushing, so I was told a few years ago. Makes me sick!
I own an S&W Model 15, civilian model, made in 1977. Wonderful revolver. Just as good as I recall the one I once carried.
The .45 has more stopping power, but the .38 ensured a far better chance of hitting the bad guy -- and only hits count.
 
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