Firearms are next on the agenda

[38man]

Without sounding too neurotic, I seriously think in the near future gun ownership will be a thing of the past. Lets put it this way, it will become an excessively expensive hobby, at least for alot of us. After the Supreme Court ruling concerning Healthcare,this current administration will slowly pick away at our Constitutional amendments. I feel that a hugh tax will be applied on all future firearms and related products. There won't be dramatic changes, for instance they'll "progressively" chip away at our gun ownership. I seriously think within 5 years they'll be such a rush on guns with people trying to sell their guns off and which in turn will lower the value of them. Slowly we'll see the small gun shops fade away first, then it'll eat its way up the chain. If this administration gets another 4 years, which I think they will, we're all up the creek. It's sad the opposition candidate comes off alittle too timid with no fire in the belly. I'm trying to convince myself I'm being too much of a conspiratist, but to no avail. I really have a lousy feeling about things to come. Unfortunately I don't think guns will be the investment we previously thought. It's time to start shooting the safe queens.

 

[Moonman]

Firearms, Ammunition, Booze, Gold Silver, Platinum all are good things to own.

Take a pill and you'll feel better.

 

[RaceBannon]

What pill would you suggest one take to make one feel better about the abuse of government power? Although I'm far more optimistic about the outcome of the next election, I think 38man has valid concerns and certainly doesn't deserve such a flippant response.

 

[McBear]

@38man...what information do you have that this might be a possibility that has not come from a blog of a blog of a blog of a blog?

In other words, for the past three years all of our various gun fora have talked incessently about the dreaded "Obama's gonna get our guns" - OGGOG. Yet in all the reading that I have done I have seen absolutely zero in the left or right press that suggests any REAL plans whatsoever.

When we listen to folks from the national organizations discuss OGGOG in an email or letter or editorial...it is usually with a recommendation to "join"...in other words a fundraiser. And Fear, Uncertainty and Dread are certainly things to get folks wound up about when it comes to fundraising.

So, before getting all wound up, look at what is real, not what is repeated again and again, all void of facts to back it up. It makes life much easier to live. Oh, and don't watch Prepper shows...they are one big advertisement for FUD.

 

[ladder13]

It'll be "for the children"

 

[nipster]

Oh jeez here we go...

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

I like the Blue pill.

Seriously, IMHO.... Gun owners should remain aware of the never-ending effort among gun-grabbing hoplophobes and other wrong-headed folks to make gun ownership more difficult. That said, I think it's good to recognize the many victories we've had. Gun restrictions are far less in many states than in the past, as well as recent victory at the SC and the current President signing pro gun legislation. Remain aware, give to the NRA, but don't run around like Chicken Little... it only serves to dilute serious pro-gun arguments.

 

[Sebago Son]

Head Esconced In Sand...

@38man...what information do you have that this might be a possibility that has not come from a blog of a blog of a blog of a blog?

In other words, for the past three years all of our various gun fora have talked incessently about the dreaded "Obama's gonna get our guns" - OGGOG. Yet in all the reading that I have done I have seen absolutely zero in the left or right press that suggests any REAL plans whatsoever.

You need to widen your subscription base. Either that or your assessment of what is "REAL" is flawed.

For generations the social engineers have tried to disarm us by frontal assault with varying degrees of success. But what we are faced with now is the most cynical, high handed and conniving tactic ever. OVERT Manufacture of stats to sway the opinion of an already blase` general populace. Witness "Fast-N-Furious".

 

[Steve in Vermont]

Don't give the White House more than it's due. The real power in government resides with the Congress. Pay attention to statements of members of the house and senate to see where gun control is going. Let's stay vigilant but not paranoid.

 

[ladder13]

The real power in government resides in corporate donations. Follow the money.

 

[McBear]

You need to widen your subscription base. Either that or your assessment of what is "REAL" is flawed.

For generations the social engineers have tried to disarm us by frontal assault with varying degrees of success. But what we are faced with now is the most cynical, high handed and conniving tactic ever. OVERT Manufacture of stats to sway the opinion of an already blase` general populace. Witness "Fast-N-Furious".

REAL to me are actual initiatives, planned and prepared for execution to remove guns from the legal owning public. I have not seen that.

And as for widening my subscription base...I am not sure that is possible. On this subject alone, discounting blogs, I read policy drivers on several sides [there are more than two]. Brady is the most left wing and it comes closest but still does nothing to forward OGGOG.

 

[KJM]

@38man...what information do you have that this might be a possibility that has not come from a blog of a blog of a blog of a blog?

In other words, for the past three years all of our various gun fora have talked incessently about the dreaded "Obama's gonna get our guns" - OGGOG. Yet in all the reading that I have done I have seen absolutely zero in the left or right press that suggests any REAL plans whatsoever.

When we listen to folks from the national organizations discuss OGGOG in an email or letter or editorial...it is usually with a recommendation to "join"...in other words a fundraiser. And Fear, Uncertainty and Dread are certainly things to get folks wound up about when it comes to fundraising.

So, before getting all wound up, look at what is real, not what is repeated again and again, all void of facts to back it up. It makes life much easier to live. Oh, and don't watch Prepper shows...they are one big advertisement for FUD.

I don't know whats in the water down there in la la land, but ship me some huh?

Noooooo............. no one has done anything in the past to restrict our rights...

nothing to worry about here folks.. Your gun rights are safe and sound!

 

[Nico Testosteros]

The Presidents done nothing so far to limit gun rights. And he knows full well no more restrictions will pass the House and Senate. The gunhugger paranoia is understandable, but unfounded.

 

[McBear]

I don't know whats in the water down there in la la land, but ship me some huh?

Noooooo............. no one has done anything in the past to restrict our rights...

nothing to worry about here folks.. Your gun rights are safe and sound!

Enlighten me as to what laws have diminished the rights to OWN GUNS. I can buy everything from a Model 642 to a Barrett 50 cal with just a debit card. I can make as many AR-15 clones as I can afford and buy as much ammo as will fit on my pallet [or buy a second pallet].

Congresscritters [the folks who have to make any changes by law] have forwarded only one bill through committee that MIGHT negatively affects gun ownership and in fact there are many that positively affect ownership rights. The one, the Gunshow Loophole Act has not been acted on since 2/28/11 making it dead. Check THOMAS.LOC.GOV for all your legislative information needs.

As for what's in the water here in Central Kentucky...the stuff that makes racehorses fast and bourbon good. But that's beside the point.

 

[StatesRightist]

Google Fast and Furious....end of story and debate. The OP was speaking to intent, not successful legislation. It's also quite obvious from leaked internal memos that Obama's strategy is go after gun ownership in term 2.

From a Constitutional standpoint, no machine guns, SBR's, silencers etc except to a limited few and then after steep tax stamps clearly is an infringement on our rights. As are the restrictions NY, NJ, CA etc place on ownership. CCW is a joke as well, the 2nd Amendment should be all you need, make the felons pay extra to have restrictions on their DL's stating no CW's if you want the extra tax dollars.

 

[38man]

You're right the intent is there, and if anyone on this forum thinks that's not the case they're sadly mistaken. You think this administration cares about Congress, look at all the executive orders that have been passed. The Attorney General who is found in contempt is getting protection from the white house, Arizona was told to take a hike, and Homeland Security has a hot line if someone "seems" to be racially profiled in Arizona. I suggest some forum members read about the progressive movement that's been going on in this country since the early 1900's.The 2nd Amendment is just one part of their strategy. The president taught a college class on the teachings of Saul Alinsky a well known communist and organizer between the 1930's and his death in 1973. Alinsky wrote a book called "Rules For Radicals" after I read it everything about community organizing and opposition to capitolism applies to what's happening today. This book is like a blue print for present day policies. This might seem all far fetched for some, but it's becoming all to obvious to ignore.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Gentlemen,

Please stay on the general focus of this section of the Forum. General political commentary is banned on S&W Forum.

 

[38man]

OK, only 2nd amendment issues. For instance I think gun ownership for the general public is in jeopardy in the forseeable future. Is that ok to say.

 

[McBear]

Google Fast and Furious....end of story and debate. The OP was speaking to intent, not successful legislation. It's also quite obvious from leaked internal memos that Obama's strategy is go after gun ownership in term 2.

From a Constitutional standpoint, no machine guns, SBR's, silencers etc except to a limited few and then after steep tax stamps clearly is an infringement on our rights. As are the restrictions NY, NJ, CA etc place on ownership. CCW is a joke as well, the 2nd Amendment should be all you need, make the felons pay extra to have restrictions on their DL's stating no CW's if you want the extra tax dollars.

Nico's obviously an anti-gunner, based on past posts.....I'm starting to wonder about a few others in here as well.

No, Fast & Furious, nor its predecessor Gunrunner are the end of the story or the debate. In fact, Fast & Furious is not even part of the debate unless you are a Mexican drug runner. While flawed, F&F was intent on solving a border issue, not address firearms ownership in the US.

And those leaked internal memos...do you have a link to a RELIABLE source, not a blog repeating a blog repeating a blog?

I've been a shooter for 52 of my 57 years. I have watched things get easier and easier, not the other way around. And things like full auto or silencers...those are history, not OGGOG. This thread is about future intent, not rumor and schoolgirl gossip.

You say 2nd Amendment is all that is needed...now look at recent history and note that we have been moving toward that, not away. More CC states, SCOTUS has been gun friendly.

It took 100 years to get to the situation we were in just 30 years ago. Then I had to go to the Sheriff's office for "permission" to buy a handgun here in Kentucky. I had to give a DL and sign a book for ammo. CC did not exist. Look how much has changed in just 30 years.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

OK, only 2nd amendment issues. For instance I think gun ownership for the general public is in jeopardy in the forseeable future. Is that ok to say.

I suppose the boss would let that slide.

It's understood that due to the nature of this section there is going be discussion that sometimes drifts into politics to a degree so we try not to over moderate it. Just leave the out Alinsky/Obama connection and that kinda stuff...