so is anyone really worried that our guns could one day be illegal?

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Yes,It could happen here within the next four years, depending on the next election.

Look at what happened in South Africa, Zimbabwe, England, Australia, and Canada...
 
The Pres just came out and voiced his "Ak47's belong on the battlefield, not the streets of some city." Here we go.

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Bill
 
Really????

Yes Really. I do not agree with the assult weapons ban of course but people were still able to legally buy AR-15s and hi capacity mags. It was an inconvenience and more expensive but they were certainly obtainable.

As far as my other comments about them not being able to take them, it would take an unrealistic amount of resourses to go around this country and confiscate guns. This is not Australia, America is more densely populated.
 
I'm really worried that they keep trying chip away gun rights here & there . From what I have read working on 1st amen. also . Get everyone you known to vote .
 
starting their big push, & they mean business this time. They are pullin' out all the stops. The only way to stop them is to vote. I fear the count will be a circus.

Ned

vote if you think it wil help, but by ALL means, DO join and contribute to the NRA.... the NRA is the ONLY "N" frame we have to defend ourslves.
 
If you enjoy your guns, do what you can (within rule of law!) to make sure you can keep them. I was born and grew up in England, a country with no 2nd Amendment, but with a tradition of gun ownership by law abiding individuals. .....

I have ancestors from England, and ancestors too, my great great grandmother a member of the DAR (Daughters of the American Revolution). They fought for independance and the right to keep and bear arms is a right derived from God, not from government. So if the rule of law makes one an outlaw because of their guns, then I would become an outlaw. I do not recognize the UN nor the authority of anyone to outlaw guns. Where they are outlawed, plenty of criminals carrying them. I suspect that Texans would never allow anyone nor any entity to confiscate their guns. As for me, I am a law abiding citizen, till such time gun confiscation begins. :mad:
 
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While it is important to keep a vigilance on 2nd Amendment rights, there are other avenues that politicians are taking to serve the same purpose of nullifying firearms, and they pose more of a serious threat.

I'm talking about attacking components needed for a firearm to be functional that are not constitutionally protected.

How many people here remember the AR-15 auto-sear? I don't remember the exact mechanics of it, but it was a drop in part that was for the most part, virtually eliminated, without any new laws... the BATF simply made a ruling that the auto-sear fit the definition of a "machine gun" as defined in the National Firearms Act (NFA) enacted in 1934.

Right now in California, we are in a dog fight with a bill making it's way through the CA Senate (SB249) that was purported to address a particular style of magazine release by making it illegal to sell or posses. But as written, the law's wording is so badly done (intentionally or not) that the description of the parts being made illegal, would apply to parts already in use by a wide range of semi-auto firearms.

We've also had legislation regarding ammo sales that was to go into effect, was thankfully set aside by an 11th hour court ruling on a legal challenge filed by pro-gun factions.

These are just some examples of what can be thrown at firearm owners by anti-gun legislators attempting to turn guns into paper weights without infringing on anyone's 2nd Amendment rights.
 
We need to make it our job to be politically involved. My senators and representative and candidates for those offices know precisely where I stand on issues that are important to me. the first of them being the 2nd ammendment.
If they want their job and want me to vote for them they need to tell me exactly where they stand on these issues and if they will vote with their conviction or by party affilitiation. If you haven't done likewise, you haven't done your homework. You have until November to pin them down. Now get to work!
 
Right now in California, we are in a dog fight with a bill making it's way through the CA Senate (SB249) that was purported to address a particular style of magazine release by making it illegal to sell or posses. But as written, the law's wording is so badly done (intentionally or not) that the description of the parts being made illegal, would apply to parts already in use by a wide range of semi-auto firearms.

You're right about SB249 and its consequences to CA gun owners. I've read the proposed bill and, like you said, some of the wording is vague. For instance; the bills author wants manufacturers to stop putting "bullet buttons" on "assault weapons" but doesn't say anything else. I have bullet buttons on my weapons and would love to swap them out for a regular mag release button which, for now, is part of CA's assault weapon ban list. And to think, SB249 started life as an agriculture bill.
 
Someone here posted that traditionally there is one party that is anti 2A, but I don't think we can accurately state this any longer. Not judging by statements and votes of a lot of our traditional friends during the last decade. To me this argument is no longer factual.
I am not really worried, because first of all I think Heller will become one of the best tools in our political arsenal, if not the best of all. The question becomes, what will the current and future courts consider to be "reasonable restrictions?"
The U.N.? Again, I am not worried, because by law any treaty entered in to by the USA can NOT circumvent constitutional law, and all treaties must be ratified by the US Senate with a 2/3rds majority. They don't have the majority at all, and I think those who might otherwise be inclined to vote in favor will remember the price they paid for being anti 2A a decade ago. They are too busy trying to keep their jobs these days.
None of this is to say I have my guard down, nothing could be further than the truth.

I think the biggest threat we face in the foreseeable future is mass shootings. Eventually the majority of Americans with no particular pro 2A axe to grind are going to have enough of them, or something so awful will happen that overnight a tsunami of opposition will form against us. Should we wait for that to happen? Personally I don't believe it is in our best interests to sit inactive on the topic of mass shootings in the USA.
 
I don't think it will happen soon,but as this country becomes more urbanized it could happen.The antigun attitudes in the northeast and left coast will spread with a growing population.
 
As previously mentioned, there is no way to keep politics out of a discussion about the possibility of losing guns rights.

Yes, there is.
It is a very general question:
so is anyone really worried that our guns could one day be illegal?

Matter of fact, it is almost a rhetorical "yes or no" question.
There will always be people who believe society would be violence free if guns were removed.
You can't fix stupid.

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Ask the Brits and Aussies about getting paid for the guns they had to turn in. Gun owners are fools if they think it can't happen here! If they want them they will come and get them and you WON"T get paid for them either.

How did it actually happen?

I think the biggest threat we face in the foreseeable future is mass shootings. Eventually the majority of Americans with no particular pro 2A axe to grind are going to have enough of them, or something so awful will happen that overnight a tsunami of opposition will form against us.

This is one of my biggest fears too.
 
I see it this way: the Antis and the 2A boosters are locked in an unending game that is being played out in its entirety between the 40-yard lines. Sometimes the Antis get a little deeper into the 2A half of the field, and sometimes the 2A supporters push the antis a few yards back into theirs. Nobody will ever get near either set of goal posts. The Antis will never succeed in banning all firearms, though they will have occasional (and maybe even frequent) annoying minor successes that let them feel as though they are approaching that goal; the 2A guys will never achieve unfettered firearm rights but will occasionally (as in the last few years) unwind some of the victories the Antis have achieved and restore some sense on a national level to the core issues.

And that's the future: decades of metaphorical trench warfare in which both sides will expend huge amounts of money and energy on a continuing basis to see which side will be able -- for the moment -- to claim control of a few yards of combat zone that formerly belonged to the people they consider the opposition.
 
I think the antis are finally figuring it out.

We've always said:

"Guns don't kill people . . . people do."

BUT they've finally seen through the smokescreen to realize:

"Guns don't kill people . . . BULLETS do."

Beware . . . one day ammo may be illegal and they won't be offering you any money to buy back your boat anchors and paperweights.

Folks, stay in it for the long haul.
 
A lot of you were not around when Emanual Cellar, Peter Rodino, Thomas Dodd, Howard Metzenbaum and others were heading the battle to take our firearms. Charles Schumer, Frank lautenberg, Dick Durbin, Jack Reed and others have taken their place. Little has changed. We have to take individual responsibility and join and contribute to good pro-gun organizations, support and vote for pro-gun candidates, write to your elected officials and write letters to your newspaper editorial pages. It is our fight to lose and doing nothing but talking among ourselves will not win any battles.
 
They're Comin'......

Those of you that are sayin' " they can't do that " or "they can't just take 'em" are in for a rude awakening. They can do just about anything they want. They've stacked most of the fed courts with judges that give the government their way. Throw firearms in, and it's almost certain you come out the loser.

They are gonna wait & win the election, sign the UN treaty. If it doesn't get ratified, they'll pull some executive order shenanigans { turn 'em in} All the while, wrecking the economy. The people won't comply, Hilary will go to the UN council & say " we mean to honor the treaty, but we need help to confiscate the guns" Because they "signed" the UN will come to help.

Bottom line, nobody cares about our individual rights. We are bein' sold out by these traitors that are supposed to be lookin' out for us.

Duece n a half roles up your driveway, & they start pilin' out, what are you gonna do?

Ned
 
They can take my guns from my dead hands. Our ancestors shed blood and gave their lives for our freedom and our rights. Its only fair for me to go down fighting for the same things that they also went down for.

If a man hasn't found something in life worth dying for; Then he isn't fit to live.
 
The future is never certain. I believe the anti-gun advocates will never stop pushing their agenda using any means necessary...
 
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