So what are folks in New York State to do with their guns?

Here in the Adirondacks I can tell you the following, not one person I have talked to is going to either register their "assault weapons" or get rid of their magazines. There was such little forethought on this other than to get it pushed through that the NY State Police was going around the state and holding seminars to explain to the public what is legal and what is not. So far twenty seven counties have passed resolutions condemning the "Safe Act", and not all are up here. As far as the seven round mags, well we have to carry only seven now. So my grandfather's Colt Woodsman, which he bought in 1950 new and has been in this state for more than sixty years without harming anyone now can only be carried with seven rounds for my own protection. However now I have taken up carrying a speedloader in my pocket with whatever revolver I am wearing and if I do get a pistol again for personal defense I intend to carry a spare magazine because while the Governor has his security detail, the rest of us peasants cannot be so lucky.

Here is the story of Saratoga passing their resolution against the Safe Act.

WRGB-TV Channel 6 News :: News - Top Stories - Saratoga Resolution Condems NYS SAFE Act
 
Not sure if anyone remembers but CA was the leader in this type of draconian laws. No AWs and 10 round mag limits. They had a 3% compliance and nothing happened. Luckily I moved from there years ago. Been happy ever since.
 
One of the worst stipulations of the bill is that you can't sell out of state or even hand down to your family banned rifles. When you die, they become the state's property! There is no other way of disposal! I believe that is a major reason why many won't register these weapons.

Of course the only way this law will be effective is through enforcement. I don't think those who will be enforcing it have their hearts in it. LEO are busy enough not to hassle or search folks on a whim. To my knowledge, there isn't even a data base set up to register anything yet!

Seems to me the entire law will establish a large underground network and make otherwise-law-abiding NYers, crooks. If it weren't such a total kick in the teeth of legal CC people, hunters. sportsmen, PD folks and everyone else who's felt the pain, it would be a joke!
 
I have a "seal a Mag" that i plan on using if this nonsense doesn't stop. and as soon as thee ground thaws out I have to bury a few dead pets. All the people I talk with have almost stopped talking about compliance, and move over to a new topic so they aren't privvy to any info that they may be required to testify to. I do know of one guy that when the ban was first announced ,asked me if he should take his mags over to Vt. and sell them.
 
The only solution with any real hope of success is mass peaceful civil disobedience. Last estimates I heard indicated about 1,000,000 privately-owned firearms that will be subject to the new law, and around 500,000 individual owners. Assuming that even 1/5 of those folks take a stand, refuse to register, refuse to surrender their property, etc, that would mean about 100,000 new criminal cases.

Does anyone know of a jail or prison with 100,000 empty bed spaces? Is there a state or local law enforcement agency with idle time on their hands to take care of another 100,000 new criminal cases?

I'm thinking that if each one of those 100,000 people put up a $100 bill there would be a $10,000,000 legal defense fund immediately. And I'm willing to bet that another million people or so across the country would also put up a $100 bill to provide a $100,000,000 war chest available. More than enough to keep a hundred bright young law school graduates at work churning out motions, tying up criminal cases in the courts for years, and filing both state and federal civil rights lawsuits until every judge in the state starts begging the legislature to repeal this stupid law.

Our neighbors in Canada went through a similar experience with a national law requiring licensing of all gun owners and registration of all firearms. It took about 15 years, but they were able to get the law overturned. The actual level of compliance was never more than about 15%. Some of the tactics used by LUFA (the Law-abiding Unregistered Firearms Association) were:

1. Massive rallies in major cities, featuring displays of members' unregistered firearms, announced well in advance with invitations sent to law enforcement agencies to come and arrest them.

2. A rallying cry among LUFA members to "Come and go to jail with us".

3. Waiting until the last day for legal registrations, then many thousands of folks converging on government offices, taking every parking space for miles around and lining up by the thousands to register their guns. When the overwhelmed staffs turned them away they all provided each other with sworn affidavits attesting to the fact that they had attempted to comply with the law, but were not allowed by the government to do so.

4. When the government decided to allow registrations by mail, LUFA advised members to fill out the 3-part registration forms and keep the individual copies, then purchase a postal money order and keep the receipt copy, then destroy the original documents. Since the Canadian government never was able to completely enter all of the data, there would be no way to prove that the individual had not complied with the law.

5. Repeated "freedom of information" actions requiring the government to disclose the actual costs of the registration program, which turned out to be many times higher than promised by the government, thus turning public sentiment further against the law.

6. Some Canadian provincial governments passed laws prohibiting the national government from enforcing the new law within those provinces.

In short, lots of things can be done. Organization of the people involved will be the key.

Peaceful civil disobedience. Thousands of people sending the message that they will not comply, that the only way the government can impose the law will be by arrest and prosecution, that every case will be fought in the courts, that every conviction will be appealed, and that every arrest will result in lawsuits.

Our entire system of law is based upon, and requires, voluntary compliance. When even a relatively small percentage of the population refuses to comply voluntarily it becomes impossible to enforce any law.
 
New Yorkers really need to swap out the gang leaders they have in office. No soda no guns, Whats next?


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So what are folks in New York State to do with their guns?

The right thing, and that is not posting it in a public forum!:D

The only guns I own are my handguns (which are already registered via my pistol license).

As for the rest of my guns....alas! I fell on hard times and sold them for grocery money.:( ;):D
 
You must disobey. You don't have to go to jail, but you cannot turn in guns or register them. We all must join this fight. Even non-New Yorkers must stand and fight for them!

Has anyone started an impeachment process for the Governor? WHY NOT? :confused:
 
After reading all the posts, I believe I came up with an answer to the original question.

They are going to keep them.
 
Anyone have a link to the actual bill?

There are three unanswered questions I have & reading the actual bill could clear them up.

1) Does it begin with "once upon a time"?

2) Does it end with "& they all lived happily ever-after".

3) Did Coumo's Fairy God Mother D.F. co-author it or was it plagiarism?
 
Anyone have a link to the actual bill?

There are three unanswered questions I have & reading the actual bill could clear them up.

1) Does it begin with "once upon a time"?

2) Does it end with "& they all lived happily ever-after".

3) Did Coumo's Fairy God Mother D.F. co-author it or was it plagiarism?


Andy the great's goomah, Sandra Lee will bring you warm milk and fresh baked cookies.:D
 
Q: So what are folks in New York State to do with their guns?

A: Keep your mouth shut about them and carry on.
 
I don't know but it sure seems like a lot of joking around and kinda just brushing it off. It seems that there is a lot at stake and it is more serious then folks realize.

Stating you will not comply but saying you are carrying 7 rounds in a 10 round mag sounds like compliance.?(if a off duty LEO I can understand)

Posting in a public forum, what, you think they will track you as if they don't know who you are already?

They all fell in the river, I sold them all? So even if you hide them all, you cannot use them and if you get caught them what?

Civil disobedience? Maybe when I was young, single and could care less but you think folks with high paying jobs and families to support will risk that? Great to talk the talk but how many will really walk?

There was a really good story I think in the Shotgun News about such a scenario where all the guns were hidden in a cave for years, generations until it was passed down one to many times and the young person finally ratted out the whole family. It was scary. Kind of a George Orwell or Fahrenheit 451 kind of story. If someone remembers that story please link it if available.

I certainly wish all New Yorkers (I was born there) the best and hope the Lawyers and residents can undue this mess.

So far Florida is OK but I am ready to move to Wyoming or S Dakota or somewhere like that.
 

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