National Association for Gun Rights

[swampersand]

ATF Copying dealer records?

I found this thread tonight after receving my umpteenth email from Dudly Brown. I was curious with respect to what forum members might know about hte subject group.

The most recent email says that a well placed government worker informed them that the ATF is making wholesale copies of gun dealers background check paperwork. This seems like a statement that should be presented with some very specific evidentiary backup, but none is presented and I visit quite a few LGS and have never heard of this happening. I know they view the records and may question multiple purchases by good customers, but I have never heard a dealer remark that the records were copied. Anyone have any hint of this happening?

Incidently, the donation request is now "chip in $35."

 

[tlay]

The NRA has a special going on now. For $300 you can become a life member. I am now a new life member!

 

[usm1rifle]

Why do I get the feeling there's a scam going on here?

Maybe because almost everyone who is for them has a post count less than 5?

 

[champehg]

The NRA is just as guilty of using scare tactics to get donations and ask for just as many as does the NAGR.
Also I can't find out the salary for Dudley Brown but I discovered the Wayne Lapiere is paid $920,000. That seems a little excessive for an organization that sends out letters a few times a month asking for donations.
I don't think he should work for nothing but come on.

 

[champehg]

I am a life member of the NRA and the last letter I received from them was asking me to pay the remaining $350 dollars of my membership fee in full, cause they need the money.
So I don't know how they can offer Life Time membership for $300

 

[jlrhiner]

I am a life member of the NRA and the last letter I received from them was asking me to pay the remaining $350 dollars of my membership fee in full, cause they need the money.
So I don't know how they can offer Life Time membership for $300

Maybe your just lucky. I haven't received that letter. Or maybe something else is going on.............?

 

[T.Webb]

The NRA is just as guilty of using scare tactics to get donations and ask for just as many as does the NAGR.
Also I can't find out the salary for Dudley Brown but I discovered the Wayne Lapiere is paid $920,000. That seems a little excessive for an organization that sends out letters a few times a month asking for donations.
I don't think he should work for nothing but come on.

Yes, Wayne LaPierre makes a ****-load of money each year. He's also the recipient of multiple death threats. So, what's a fair salary for putting up with that? Secondly, look at every other CEO in the big corporate world. Nobody begrudges the CEO of Apple his big salary, so why the salaries of Big Guns and Big Oil ??

On the other hand, NAGR appears to do nothing for 2A rights at all and it seems their sole purpose is to separate you from your hard earned money under the guise of fighting for the 2A.

 

[champehg]

I just feel that anyone working for a cause that they believe in shouldn't betaking exorbitant salaries, when the organization relies on donations to operate. Regardless of the organization.

 

[bluegrassarms]

The NRA is just as guilty of using scare tactics to get donations and ask for just as many as does the NAGR.
Also I can't find out the salary for Dudley Brown but I discovered the Wayne Lapiere is paid $920,000. That seems a little excessive for an organization that sends out letters a few times a month asking for donations.
I don't think he should work for nothing but come on.

I certainly understand that feeling, seems a big gap when I'm being hit up for money as well, but I encourage everyone (myself included) to look at it as a hiring decision and in that light the $920K isn't excessive at all. The NRA is one of the largest lobbying organizations and membership organizations in the nation along with being a massive entity involved in non-profit shooting sports promotions and support of all kinds from college rifle teams to gun range development.

That entity is on par with a major Fortune 50/100 company at least, with far more public involvement and leadership required. those are the companies you're competing with when you go out to hire a CEO, and the CEOs at those companies make a lot more than $920K. A person with his qualifications can get a job for a great deal more money than he's taking at NRA, and anyone else we'd want in the job could easily command a larger salary as well.

The free market determines the price, and that's the price men of his experience and ability command. I look at it just the opposite, I don't want the NRA underpaying and getting less than the best leading the organization.

Yes that takes up my NRA money and a whole lot of other folks', but you get what you pay for and we're up against politically capable, well financed enemies. Spend the money, get the people you need and don't fight with one hand behind your back.

 

[blebs]

Hello everyone. Found you by searching for "IRS and FEC won't let the National Association for Gun Rights PAC inform non-members of NAGR who they should -- and shouldn’t -- support in the upcoming election."

I just got the same email that has been circulating for at least 2 years now. I too, am leary of any organization that uses these tactics to gain membership. I don't have the extra money to "give." While they may well be legit in some respects, I think I can make up my own mind who to vote for or against. I don't need to pay to find out.

Just wanted to let you know that the organization and the same email is still out there and also, since I've found this forum, I'm an S&W Model 19 owner and a defender of the 2nd amendment, so I hope to participate more.

 

[autocar56]

Dudley Brown to be on NBCs the today show tomorrow morning, should be interesting.

 

[DigiRebel]

I'll join the NAGR when the anti's start calling names and demonizing them.

All the "NRA wants to kill babies!" talk is what convinced me to go life. If they are THAT scared of someone that they need to make up stupid lies to try to villify them... well that's a group I want to support.

 

[Poodle Soup]

I sign up for their gun give a ways... thats about it.