Hypocrisy in Hollywood versus real life

[cmort666]

I eat meat and it's tasty but I won't do the killing.

There's a difference between moral principle and mere squeamishness.

I'm not against eye surgery. I don't want to watch it, much less do it myself.

As far as killing animals for food goes, I've pulled the heads off of chickens to make soup in ROTC survival training. I haven't the slightest moral objection to it. From a practical standpoint, I'd rather go to Giant Eagle and get three large boneless chicken breasts in a package. But if necessary, I'd kill the chicken myself if I needed to in order to eat meat.

 

[cmort666]

He also did his fair share in:

I actually really enjoyed that movie. It's not often that you get to see a TU-4 "Bull" portrayed in a movie.

 

[Arik]

There's a difference between moral principle and mere squeamishness.

I'm not against eye surgery. I don't want to watch it, much less do it myself.

As far as killing animals for food goes, I've pulled the heads off of chickens to make soup in ROTC survival training. I haven't the slightest moral objection to it. From a practical standpoint, I'd rather go to Giant Eagle and get three large boneless chicken breasts in a package. But if necessary, I'd kill the chicken myself if I needed to in order to eat meat.

Not squeamish. I don't believe in killing something that doesn't threaten me in any way. Be it deer, coyotes, elephants, wild hogs....prerrie dogs.....whatever. I don't believe in ending a life just because. If this was a Mad Max scenario then sure but it's not so I won't. To me a firearm is a self defense tool

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[Arik]

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[blujax01]

So all of the actors who played German officers in the WWII movies must be Nazis?

Listen, actors are trained monkeys, taught to convincingly spit out whatever is put in a script. How I wish I had enough money to make Jon Stewart or Piers Morgan say what I wanted them to. We could turn some heads, yes we could.

And as far as leading Lady's Men, Rock Hudson was one of the all-time greats and he didn't even like girls. Now THAT'S acting.

 

[cmort666]

Not squeamish. I don't believe in killing something that doesn't threaten me in any way.

Then it really is hypocrisy.

You're killing what you eat... just by proxy.

If you didn't eat meat, there'd be less demand for it, and fewer animals killed to meet that demand. That is of course the fundamental premise of PETA's invariably loathsome anti-meat campaigns.

Now there is of course an order of magnitude's difference in the hypocrisy of somebody who eats meat but won't kill it for alleged "moral" reasons, and somebody who won't kill their own meat and tries to FORCIBLY stop OTHERS from doing so. As I understand it, you fall into the former category.

 

[cmort666]

And as far as leading Lady's Men, Rock Hudson was one of the all-time greats and he didn't even like girls. Now THAT'S acting.

That doesn't bother me. It doesn't even take all that much away from his "romantic leading man" performances for me.

What bothers me is what I hear about his physical abuse of his "beard" wife, apparently because he was angry that he couldn't be in public who he really was in private.

 

[the ringo kid]

I actually really enjoyed that movie. It's not often that you get to see a TU-4 "Bull" portrayed in a movie.

I did too, in fact, its one of my top three favorites with Richard Widmark in it. I liked the idea of a Scientific Sub armed to defend itself if necessary, and with a crew made up of allies and former enemies. I doubt it could be remade these days.

 

[GKC]

So all of the actors who played German officers in the WWII movies must be Nazis?

I think you are missing the point I am trying to make. If a Jewish actor who was very vocal about how wrong the Holocaust was (and it was a terrible atrocity, no doubt) played the part of a Nazi officer, and the part portrayed the Nazis sympathetically, that is the hypocrisy I am talking about.

If an actor is so against guns that he wants to deny the rest of Americans their constitutional rights, then he shouldn't make money by using them in movies. It's one thing to express a personal opinion, such as saying something like "Personally, I don't like guns, and don't want to own one, and outside of the movies won't use one, but everyone has to right to make their own decision" and a far different matter to use the fame and money he has earned from the movies to try to deny all Americans their right to own guns.

 

[blujax01]

That doesn't bother me. It doesn't even take all that much away from his "romantic leading man" performances for me.

What bothers me is what I hear about his physical abuse of his "beard" wife, apparently because he was angry that he couldn't be in public who he really was in private.

Even if it were true, it's not hypocrisy - it's bad behavior. Much like John Wayne's highly vocal and well publicized bigotry and racism.

We've all got our "stuff". If I refused to watch a TV show or movie because of some actor's off-screen real life drama, well... come to think of it I should probably toss my TV in the trash anyway.

 

[the ringo kid]

So all of the actors who played German officers in the WWII movies must be Nazis?

Listen, actors are trained monkeys, taught to convincingly spit out whatever is put in a script. How I wish I had enough money to make Jon Stewart or Piers Morgan say what I wanted them to. We could turn some heads, yes we could.

And as far as leading Lady's Men, Rock Hudson was one of the all-time greats and he didn't even like girls. Now THAT'S acting.

I fully agree.

Raymond Massey, Eric Portman, Darren Nesbitt and James Mason are prime examples. Each made more than one movie in the role as a German officer.

 

[the ringo kid]

Then it really is hypocrisy.

You're killing what you eat... just by proxy.

If you didn't eat meat, there'd be less demand for it, and fewer animals killed to meet that demand. That is of course the fundamental premise of PETA's invariably loathsome anti-meat campaigns.

Now there is of course an order of magnitude's difference in the hypocrisy of somebody who eats meat but won't kill it for alleged "moral" reasons, and somebody who won't kill their own meat and tries to FORCIBLY stop OTHERS from doing so. As I understand it, you fall into the former category.

Again, I fully agree.

 

[GKC]

Now there is of course an order of magnitude's difference in the hypocrisy of somebody who eats meat but won't kill it for alleged "moral" reasons, and somebody who won't kill their own meat and tries to FORCIBLY stop OTHERS from doing so.

This is my point.

I don't hunt...I used to, when I was young, and we ate the deer we killed. I don't enjoy hunting now, and I don't do it. It's not because I'm squeamish, or think it's morally wrong, it's more laziness than anything. I do eat meat: pig, chicken, fish, and beef. I know there are abuses in the food processing industry, but we do have standards in place that try to insure the humane processing of meat.

When I say animal cruelty, I mean the mistreatment of dogs and cats, etc, for no purpose other than perverted pleasure, or just plain being mean.

 

[the ringo kid]

Even if it were true, it's not hypocrisy - it's bad behavior. Much like John Wayne's highly vocal and well publicized bigotry and racism.

We've all got our "stuff". If I refused to watch a TV show or movie because of some actor's off-screen real life drama, well... come to think of it I should probably toss my TV in the trash anyway.

John Wayne wasnt a bigot or a racist. if so? he would never have been inducted into several American Indian tribes such as the Hopi Tribe and all three of his wives were Hispanic and he loved using people of "color" in his movies. I can easily cite about 100 or more movies detailing such. Duke was a Conservative, so I guess in todays society that that means he is racist as well as many here?

 

[A10]

I love movies. If I let an actors personal beliefs or political persuasion influence which ones I saw, well I probably would never see any.

I love music. If I let a musicians personal beliefs or political persuasion influence which ones I listened to, well I probably would never hear any.

I enjoy sports. If I let a players personal beliefs or political persuasion influence what I watch, well I probably would never see any.

It's all just entertainment.

 

[GKC]

Even if it were true, it's not hypocrisy - it's bad behavior. Much like John Wayne's highly vocal and well publicized bigotry and racism.

We've all got our "stuff". If I refused to watch a TV show or movie because of some actor's off-screen real life drama, well... come to think of it I should probably toss my TV in the trash anyway.

John Wayne had his own bad behavior and questionable elements to his past...he was human. However, he refused to play a part that wasn't true to his own personal code. I respect him for that.

Most actors are indeed not the most admirable and stable people in their private lives. Up to a point, I don't really consider that...but there is a limit for me. For example, I won't watch a movie or show with Jane Fonda in it, because of her despicable acts during the Viet Nam war. Neither will I watch a movie with Sean Penn in it. I don't believe in supporting people who are traitors to America, and/or who would deny me my rights.

Now, if Jane Fonda came forward, issued an abject apology, with no excuses or attempts at justification, said she was totally wrong, and made some attempt to make it up to the military, then I'd say she was redeeming herself. People can and do regret past actions and try to be better people. Until that happens, I won't support her by watching any of her movies or shows.

 

[blujax01]

I think you are missing the point I am trying to make. If a Jewish actor who was very vocal about how wrong the Holocaust was (and it was a terrible atrocity, no doubt) played the part of a Nazi officer, and the part portrayed the Nazis sympathetically, that is the hypocrisy I am talking about.

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Like John Banner (Sgt. Schultz) and Werner Klemperer (Col. Klink)? They played Nazis "for fun"(?) but still - these two wore swastikas voluntarily in exchange for money.

How about Jennifer Aniston as a rapist?

John Wayne as Genghis Kahn?

The list goes on and on.

They are actors pretending to be a character and what they do on screen has absolutely nothing to do with their life off-stage.

 

[blujax01]

John Wayne wasnt a bigot or a racist. if so? he would never have been inducted into several American Indian tribes such as the Hopi Tribe and all three of his wives were Hispanic and he loved using people of "color" in his movies. I can easily cite about 100 or more movies detailing such. Duke was a Conservative, so I guess in todays society that that means he is racist as well as many here?

Playboy interview 1971:

"I believe in white supremacy until blacks are educated to a point of responsibility."

Look it up.

And stop lumping racist in with conservative. It's a cheap shot.

 

[the ringo kid]

Playboy interview 1971:

"I believe in white supremacy until blacks are educated to a point of responsibility."

Look it up.

And stop lumping racist in with conservative. It's a cheap shot.

I didnt take a cheap shot at Conservatives. IM a Constitutional Conservative! I highly suggest you do some research yourself by going to both these sites: JWMB - The Original John Wayne Message Board! and John Wayne | Official Site. Truth will open minds, eyes and opinions.

John Waynes bad habit was drinking too much. Also, you attribute the thinking of 4+ decades ago with the thinking of todays thinking.

 

[GKC]

Like John Banner (Sgt. Schultz) and Werner Klemperer (Col. Klink)? They played Nazis "for fun"(?) but still - these two wore swastikas voluntarily in exchange for money.

You have a point, but I'd also say that their roles didn't glorify the Nazis...actually made fun of them. Still, if I was a Jew, I wouldn't have played the part.

How about Jennifer Aniston as a rapist?

I guess I missed that role. All I will say about that is if she wants to rape me, it will be impossible. You can't rape someone who is cooperating, can you?

John Wayne as Genghis Kahn?

That's one of the few John Wayne movies I haven't seen. However, I would guess that he is playing a historical figure, and I don't recall him ever saying in public that Kahn was a horrible figure, that he was totally wrong, and that no one should ever glorify him, etc. That to me is where the difference lies. It's one thing to play a role...but a different thing to play a role that glorifies the very thing that you are supposedly so adamant against.