Texas needs to catch up.

[zonker5]

One can have their license revoked if a concealed gun is exposed.
You might have known that, but couldn't pass up an opportunity to be a wise guy.

Last session of the Legislature this was changed so that an accidental exposure of a gun like your shirt riding up is not a violation.

 

[ralph7]

Last session of the Legislature this was changed so that an accidental exposure of a gun like your shirt riding up is not a violation.

Cool, thanks for the update.
Of course there will always be a debate as to what is accidental, but that is a step in the right direction.

 

[RobzGuns]

Was gonna add my $0.02, but why bother? There's no getting thru to either side in this always contentious debate.

Thanks for not adding your $0.02

 

[cemeteryman]

Not a fan of O/C for general daily use, for some of the reasons raised above, but I hardly see a reason to criminalize it in the way I understand some states to do. If you are legal to carry, what practical difference does it make whether you leave your jacket on or off?

My 2c, for what that's worth.

 

[Yiogo]

He's just venting.
NH allows open carry but I rarely see it.
My pet peeve is I just noted that TX and NH do not have reciprocity.
I'd like to see a universal carry among the states. We almost had it.
Yiogo

 

[KSDeputy]

I hate open carry, unless it is a peace officer with a badge displayed. Open carry in our state does not require the background check and safety class, with range, that our concealed carry permits do. Open carry scares the hell out of citizens. When they allow it statewide they should change the concealed carry permit, to a carry permit, and require the same things a concealed carry permit now requires to carry openly. I see no reason why a citizen needs to carry a firearm openly, except on their own property. This opinion is tainted, if you will, from 30 years of dealing with armed criminals. I spoke with the president of the KS State Rifle Assn. about this. They are trying to move toward full constitutional carry. I told her my personal opinion, but I also told her whatever the law is, I will support it. It's what I do. The thing that concerns me is the inequity of the present situation. Concealed carry should be allowed without a permit, as open carry is. Or they both should require a permit. It is not fair the way it is.

 

[DevilDog72]

I am a proud Texan, I carry concealed and was a CC instructor.... that said there should be no government interference in how a free man/woman carries their choice of firearm in our country. The supreme law of the land, our Constitution, is plain in that right. We have allowed the politicians and the sheep decide what is and is not proper. If anyone wants to open carry that should be their right and no one should tell them differently. As long as we carry......

 

[elm_creek_smith]

If you honestly don't see any difference between a uniformed police officer carrying his sidearm in a duty rig along with his radio, taser, pepper spray, baton, body armor, camera and everything else cops carry these days and a private citizen carrying his handgun on his hip, you've got bigger issues than how best to carry concealed.

What IS the difference? Just asking because I wear most of that on my duty belt at work. (We don't carry tasers or cameras.) And, as a private citizen, I generally open carry.

Your "that's why all police carry concealed" attempted comparison is ludicrous because there is no comparison.

Really? Not all police officers carried in the open in the past, especially back east, to avoid disturbing the citizenry. Now, all you have to do is figure out why uniformed police officers generally open carry these days.

 

[elm_creek_smith]

I see no reason why a citizen needs to carry a firearm openly, except on their own property.

"..., the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

The right isn't there for you to like or not.

ECS

 

[SamMeow]

Had to go to Texas for a funeral yesterday. My J-frame was adequately concealed as long as I wore my jacket. (It was a graveside service, and it was in the 50's and windy.) My leather jacket was too heavy and hot once we got to the restaurant. Had to move stuff around to stay concealed. Texas needs open carry.

ECS

Sorry for your loss, also for being inconvienced.
Good topic, good vent.
Hope you have/had a safe trip home.
"Hook 'em"

 

[keith44spl]

I hate open carry, unless it is a peace officer with a badge displayed. Open carry in our state does not require the background check and safety class, with range, that our concealed carry permits do. Open carry scares the hell out of citizens. If they allow it they should change the concealed carry permit, to a carry permit, and require the same things a concealed carry permit now requires to carry openly. I see no reason why a citizen needs to carry a firearm openly, except on their own property.

Oh yeah, let's jest let the anointed ones open carry....

I've been in Law Enforcement on and off for forty years and I have found 'We are all citizens'.

This lit'l thing of 'Us' and 'them' is just plain ol BS.

Every man ought to be able to cover the ground he stands on, at his own discretion.

I carry open and concealed carry, sometimes at the same time.

"unless it is a peace officer with a badge displayed."

One's profession Does Not make one superior in stature to any other man.
To think this....Is just an elitist attitude at it worse, and a purty conceded one at best.


That is all.


.

 

[smokindog]

THIS is precisely why they are called RIGHTS and not NEEDS/Desires. I don't think some should be ALLOWED to procreate and that's not even in the Constitution

I hate open carry,
I see no reason why a citizen needs

 

[MSgt G]

One can have their license revoked if a concealed gun is exposed.
You might have known that, but couldn't pass up an opportunity to be a wise guy.

In Texas, yes. Exactly why the right to carry, open or concealed, should be your choice, not mandated. It says the "right to keep and bear arms", not the "right to keep and bear concealed". Once we start limiting our rights, it gets easier and easier to limit them even further.

 

[smokindog]

I believe they even provide more cover (PUN intended) as they changed the criteria to "intent" for the infraction. Can't find the article but I'm pretty sure that's what I read.

Last session of the Legislature this was changed so that an accidental exposure of a gun like your shirt riding up is not a violation.

 

[scattershot]

Open carry is fine, but there are enough squirrely ninja wannabes around to make this a hard sell in most places.

 

[SamMeow]

SB 299 by Sen. Craig Estes/Rep. Kenneth Sheets provides language to clarify the unintentional display of a firearm by a concealed handgun licensee. The language changed from "failure to conceal" to "intentional display of a weapon in a public place" when force or deadly force is not authorized. Passed and Signed by Governor Perry
Effective 9/1/2013
Know the Law

 

[elm_creek_smith]

Sorry for your loss, also for being inconvienced.
Good topic, good vent.
Hope you have/had a safe trip home.
"Hook 'em"

Thank you. We had a long day on the road but made it home safely. We left the house before 0600, got home after 1900.
"Go, 'Pokes!"

ECS

 

[Kensterfly]

I don't do IWB. My attendance was last-minute, so I didn't dig out my pocket holster. Didn't feel like wearing my uniform and duty belt, either. So, sue me.

ECS

So, in effect, it's all on you because you didn't want to be inconvenienced. Don't blame Texas, or any other state. We may have some catching up to do regarding ease of getting our permits, etc, but I think most of us would not support an open carry law, especially just for the convenience of outsiders.

So, sue us.

 

[Kensterfly]

The only reason I would want open carry is to protect me in case I accidentally exposed my gun that is supposed to be concealed.

As of January 1 of this year, accidental exposure of your gun is not an issue. The law has changed in Texas. We don't have to worry about 'printing' or accidentally revealing a gun but if we reach for something on the top shelf at the grocery store, or having our shirt tail fly up in the wind. So this argument has no bearing on the open carry debate.

 

[Kensterfly]

One can have their license revoked if a concealed gun is exposed.
You might have known that, but couldn't pass up an opportunity to be a wise guy.

Again, not true. You need to keep up with current Texas law if you're going to carry here.

Don't confuse accidentally exposing to "brandishing." Totally different.