Will Texas Finally Pass an Open Carry Law for Concealed Carry Licensees

Those who fret over the notion of permit holders being able to legally open carry in Texas ought to take a look at an example of a state that allows it. Tennessee issues a Handgun Carry Permit. Legal to carry open or concealed. We get along just fine. Texas will too.

This is no different than all the fretting over Guns in Bars that was passed in Tennessee. Lots of Tennesseans, including many gun owners, totally freaked out at the idea of allowing guns is bars. Despite all the handwringing and predictions of doom, the law passed anyway. It's been four years... big yawn... we're doing just fine.

Every step along the way from Shall Issue on forward has been met with resistance and predictions of doom. The naysayers have been consistently proved wrong. Nothing new here.
 
For a really long time(like over 100 years) open carry was the only legal method of carry in Kentucky, and it's still a legal method for those without a CCW as well as remaining the only legal method of carry in some situations(whether licensed or not)

Shall issue concealed carry in Kentucky(as well as virtually every other state where it was passed) was met with predictions of blood running in the streets from shoot-outs over parking spaces, and as we all know that has not come to pass.

Many of the folks who argue against legalized open carry make those same predictions.

I've also yet to see an example of an OC person being "shot first" as is often predicted to happen. I would love to see someone produce a news report of a situation where this happened, however I think someone trying to show this will be looking for a long time.

Here in Kentucky, I probably see someone open carrying "in the wild"(i.e. just going about their business wherever that may be) once every other week or so. I'd venture to guess most people don't even notice, and it's rare that it's a problem when someone does notice. When someone does notice and it is a problem, the problem is, to be blunt, generally in the person noticing and not the person carrying.
 
Ben_hutcherson said:
Shall issue concealed carry in Kentucky(as well as virtually every other state where it was passed) was met with predictions of blood running in the streets from shoot-outs over parking spaces, and as we all know that has not come to pass.

Many of the folks who argue against legalized open carry make those same predictions.
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Exactly.

As gun owners we've all heard it before, time and time again. For the past quarter century as pro-gun laws have swept across the country, particulary Shall Issue, the naysayers have predicted endless nonsense.

We're Americans. We don't require the government involved in these matters. The only thing required of government is not to infringe on these things.
 
Somebody needs a hug!
I still haven't seen a single bit of proof to support the claim of open carry being tied to attack or a higher crime rate. Wonder why? Simple, there is NO PROOF.

Facts are what I rely on, not silly insults. Typically, the method of the anti gun crowd starts as a testimony of their support for the 2nd...sort of, "but it needs changing".

Then the insult and mockery starts up.
(First one to use "nazi" loses.)
What other people think of me is none of my business.

Oklahoma hasn't seen any problem with their newly introduced open carry law, and there actually are some REAL cowboys there.

No, you can insult me all you want, it's baseless and a waste of time. It's the "arena of ideas" not personal insults that get the truth out.

Go out, get your facts together and state your case.(in 10,000 words or less, please)

By the way....
I've never roped a goat, worn a Ritter shirt or said YeeHaw. Neither do I have buck teeth, refer to legislators as maggots, and I don't drink, or even own a "come and take it" flag, but since I'm a native Texan and an American citizen, if I choose to, that's my business.
 
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ChattanoogaPhil said:
Exactly.

As gun owners we've all heard it before, time and time again. For the past quarter century as pro-gun laws have swept across the country, particulary Shall Issue, the naysayers have predicted endless nonsense.

We're Americans. We don't require the government involved in these matters. The only thing required of government is not to infringe on these things.
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Phil, the Shall Issue is a perfect example of the fear mongers and panic merchants reaction to logic. "Blood in the streets", "why do you need it" and "what will they think about me" arguments are all we'll hear, because they have nothing but their opinion, based on fear, or worse, a refusal to do any research.

Having lived and worked, armed openly and otherwise in six nations that have strenuous gun restriction, the primary reason I was there was because the government refused to allow it's citizenry their natural right.
 
Open carry has always been legal here. Just about the only time you ever see it is during hunting season. No reason to open carry most of the time and concealed permits are easy. Sometimes its convenient to open carry. I am sure the same applies in all the open carry states. Its legal, but very few do. No reason to freak out about it.

I doubt many Texans will start open carry if it does become law especially if you need a permit. Your worrying about nothing. Idiots that want to show they are idiots will find a way. The long gun incident at the restaurant proves that and makes the open carry of pistols being intimidating and causing back lash a mute point. A guy walking around with an AK will always get more attention than a holstered handgun and what those morons wanted was attention.
 
Gentlemen thanks for your fine posts, it would be nice to hear from more members who live in open carry states and find out what thet have experienced.
 
TexasRaider said:
Wow. Lots of passion on this one. Wonder if a guy can comment without getting flamed like a few pounds of Kingsford Mesquite Charcoal Briquettes. I bet I can, most of the folks on this board are pretty decent. I'll warn you, this is a long post.


Just one old Irishman’s opinion…
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Now that's funny right thar!

I do believe this is the longest and wordiest post I've ever saw on this subject... ;):D

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I'll just adhere to the ol adage "It's not what's on a man's hip...But what's in heart that counts!"


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Sad to see you fellers couldn't make your respective points without resorting to insults, generalizations, and personal attacks. This is the first time I've seen it so blatant on this forum.

I'd like to be able to open carry to/from/at/between the house, the range, and several non-adjacent rural properties. I have ZERO desire to carry in town, but I don't begrudge those who do have that desire.

Having said all this, I vehemently disagree with OCT and their willingness to alienate anyone and everyone by waving around rifles (and black powder pistols in the near future), supposedly to sway folks to support open carry.
 
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I have a CHL, that said, I would open carry if I could. I have researched the states that allow open carry and it is very rare a BG targets an open carry individual. Here"s the deal.....What about "shall not be infringed" do we not understand. I do, with all my heart, hope Texas votes for Open Carry.
 
Herknav said:
Sad to see you fellers couldn't make your respective points without resorting to insults, generalizations, and personal attacks. This is the first time I've seen it so blatant on this forum.

I'd like to be able to open carry to/from/at/between the house, the range, and several non-adjacent rural properties. I have ZERO desire to carry in town, but I don't begrudge those who do have that desire.

Having said all this, I vehemently disagree with OCT and their willingness to alienate anyone and everyone by waving around rifles (and black powder pistols in the near future), supposedly to sway folks to support open carry.
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I may have missed it but--who is insulting whom? Ive seen intelligent thinking here along with a little fun thrown in for good measure. If you want to see attacks? check the Ammo forum.
 
DevilDog72 said:
I have a CHL, that said, I would open carry if I could. I have researched the states that allow open carry and it is very rare a BG targets an open carry individual. Here"s the deal.....What about "shall not be infringed" do we not understand. I do, with all my heart, hope Texas votes for Open Carry.
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Since I've been camped in KY and even TN, (BTW That's were a bunch of those followers of Austin, Houston and
lots of other brave souls that wanted a new Republic came from) I see folks open carrying purty often.

Why just the other evening, saw a young man, his wife and child enjoying a cone of ice cream at the local parlor.

Oh, he was wearing a nice looking 1911., none in attendance panicked...No not one! ;):D

So, I figger it's each to his own.

I too hope the powers that be in Austin can see the light, as times are a changing...

Every man must stand for something, lest he fall from the slightest wind that blows.


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Old TexMex said:
They're just real passionate there, kid. :D
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Hey Jimmy !

My neighbors must be a purty pas-n-it bunch as well....
They's all got progressive loaders and their always pullin the handle on em thangs every time theys pass it!!! ;):D

I truly doubt that the open display of a sidearm is going to change anything one way or another.

I've worn one on my hip for years and another on my ankle covered by my pant leg....And all I ever got was,
"Is that a 1911 Colt...Is that a Smith & Wesson .357?" Or some such questions.

As far as insults go...Hope I haven't insulted any Cowboys, Ranchers, Farmers, Oil Field workers,
The Duke Boys, members of the Clergy and anyone else that might be hangin around here's bouts...:D

It grieves me something awful to have a sack full of BBQ revolvers and can't sport em around.

Up north here, a feller has to go across the Red to wear yur fancy pistol outside yur pants.;)


Oh well.......Mabee sumday soon!

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Very torn on open carry in Texas. I do believe it is a right. But I also think it is in general a horrible idea. The people I have met who are salivating to open carry seem to me to be the people who cannot wait for the attention and questions and eyeballs they get. Overall, I don't think it's a good thing. It is so easy to get a concealed carry permit in Texas (they just lowered the hours) and we don't have printing or accidental exposure restrictions... I just don't get it.

The dudes who brought the long rifles into Chipotle backfired and gave the anti's plenty of ammo, which they used effectively to hurt our movement. Again, I do believe open carry is a right... but just because you can, doesn't mean you should. I have my CHL and if open carry passes, I can't imagine a situation where I would open carry.
 
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