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Response To Rude Open Carry Blogger
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cyphertext
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There is a sign posted at Target, Chipotle, Chili's, Smashburger, and other places that sell beer and wine...
OC of a long gun is not licensed, therefore not permitted... Not sure about pre 1899 black powder, since those are not classified as firearms. There is no other legal requirement of posting a sign prohibiting OC that I am aware of.
But even without a sign, if you are aware that the business has made a policy or a request, would you still openly carry against their wishes?
TexasArmed
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Now, that thar is funny right thar!!!
No self respecting cowhand is gonna be riding a donkey, for crying out loud.
No, not even them boys from the piney woods........
When Texas finally sets her citizens free from these reconstruction era laws and folks go about their daily business,
I doubt you see anyone promenading around the metro-plex or the Stockyards in Ft.Worth with their sidearm slung low on the their hip.
But, in closing, it's not what's on a man's hip that counts...It's what's in his heart.
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Ha, ha, I was kind of making fun of the situation when I mentioned the donkey. Actually in these rural areas of Texas
everyone is a rancher who has one cow and a rope, and of course a pickup truck. Some of those who qualify as being
farmers that way would starve to death if the trucks did not run.
It we get open carry and if I ever do decide to open carry I
guess I will carry my Smith & Wesson 625-5 six shot revolver,
but I will have to get a new holster since I don't have a way to
wear the one I got low and tied down. I am one of them who
believes that Mat Dillon could not really draw that fast. Johnny Cash said he used to practice in front of mirror trying to outdraw Mat Dillon on video tape.
Wow, now you're accusing them of breaking laws.There is a sign posted at Target, Chipotle, Chili's, Smashburger, and other places that sell beer and wine...
OC of a long gun is not licensed, therefore not permitted... Not sure about pre 1899 black powder, since those are not classified as firearms. There is no other legal requirement of posting a sign prohibiting OC that I am aware of.
But even without a sign, if you are aware that the business has made a policy or a request, would you still openly carry against their wishes?
Clearly your sign isn't relevant or arrests would have been made. Do you have any other pics to post that aren't relevant. May as well post them too. And no, if they care, they'll post a sign. If they don't really care they issue press releases to appease special interest groups and go on about their business.
Edit: I believe you need to brush up on your TX laws. From a quick search it appears you have no idea what you're talking about with the "There is a sign posted at Target, Chipotle, Chili's, Smashburger, and other places that sell beer and wine..." I certainly remember the 51 signs the last time I was in TX. Not sure where you got your sign.
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cyphertext
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Wow, now you're accusing them of breaking laws.
And no, if they care, they'll post a sign. If they don't really care they issue press releases to appease special interest groups and go on about their business.
That sign is very relevant... It also kept the OCers from entering the Ft. Worth convention center during the Republican Convention due to alcohol being sold on the premise. Maybe you should learn more about Texas law if you want to argue about OC in Texas...
Booze Rules Bar Open Carry Gun Groups from Texas Republican Convention | KWBU
keith44spl
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The way I read the statutes,
If I came to visit....I couldn't open carry on your ranch...Now could I?
But when we get OC, I'll be with-in the 'law', to attend your BBQ
or hunt with my friends on their ranches, right?
CT,
You and I both know what the Texas Penal Code, Title 10 Section 46.02 (1) says.....
(1) on the person's own premises or premises under the person's control;
I do not believe it says, that the property owner or property under another's control, i.e. a lessee, can give a third party permission to open carry a modern sidearm in the state of Texas on said property.
Please, correct me if I'm wrong.
I don't for a New York minute believe I can lawfully give my friends / neighbors permission to open carry
a handgun at my place, during one of my BBQs
Dave
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If they posted a sign (or not) about OC of long guns being prohibited...I wouldn't care. I would go in (carrying concealed), get what I need , and leave.
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Did you read my comments at all? Did you miss the part about "All they have to do is post store rules at the entrances." I shouldn't have to spell out that stores, banks, or whatever can put anything they wish on their signs, including "No Guns On Premises" or "No Concealed Weapons on Premises". And I never said a word about having anyone arrested.
Quite a few banks here (my own included), in addition to posting signs, have installed metal detectors. You go in one door and it locks behind you. If you set off the alarm, the next door won't open for you...they won't let you in. You're trapped between two doors, and the next person you talk to will be a hired sheriff's deputy who will make sure you are not armed. My bank hasn't been robbed in probably 15 years or so.
As I said in another post somewhere on this forum, I'm in favor of open carry, just as I support the Second Amendment. I live in an open carry state, but I carry concealed unless I'm at the range and/or participating in a gun-related event.
But just because I'm in favor of OC doesn't mean I'm going to make a fool out of myself in public by carrying an M&P-15 or a tactical shotgun into a department store or restaurant. That accomplishes nothing other than giving the anti-gun folks another reason to keep using the term "gun nut." We don't need any more of that. It's offensive and more than a little discriminatory, as if gun owners are somehow mentally impaired.
keith44spl
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Ah no, the tied down buscadero went the way of the stage coach and the buffalo...
This is the one of the new modern style of open carry....
Yes, I know it's all in fun....When we get open carry,
I'll make you and any other forum member a real deal on a
'Imp. Austin Brill' style rig.
Su Amigo,
Dave
God Bless Texas
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TexasArmed
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Wow, now you're accusing them of breaking laws.
And no, if they care, they'll post a sign. If they don't really care they issue press releases to appease special interest groups and go on about their business.
Edit: I believe you need to brush up on your TX laws. From a quick search it appears you have no idea what you're talking about with the "There is a sign posted at Target, Chipotle, Chili's, Smashburger, and other places that sell beer and wine..." I certainly remember the 51 signs the last time I was in TX. Not sure where you got your sign.
This sign is similar to the one at the grocery store that sells alcohol. I was relieved to see it only mentioned unlicensed firearms, and mine is licensed CHL. There is no 51 percent sign
because no drinking on the premises is allowed. I have not actually read the Texas Statute pertaining to long gun and I do not own a long gun. If I get around to buying a shotgun or a
long gun again I will read up.
If open carry does not have to pay for a permit and they
legalize carry for them, would they stop charging those of us
who have CHL's for our license?
cyphertext
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You may have a point... I'm not finding an exception. Might not be lawfully kosher... will have to do some more checking.
If it isn't legal, I know a whole bunch of Texans who have been doing it wrong for a whole lot of years...
cyphertext
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That sign comes from TABC, Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission.
https://www.tabc.state.tx.us/laws/sign_requirements.asp
Link where you can download the sign
https://www.tabc.state.tx.us/publications/index.asp#signs
Is that enough proof for you, or would you like me to go to Chipotle's, Target, and Chili's here in town and take a picture of the posted signs?
Absolutely there are forces that would LOVE to change what we do on the ranch and on the road, in the towns near the ranch.
They are being aided in their efforts to take guns out of the hands of non felon citizens by "moderates" who would accept the scare tactics and exaggerations used by the anti OC people.
And if you can't see the deterrent effect of open carry, maybe our armed forces in A ghan and Iraq should carry concealed.
Proof. That's what I'm giving you. Open carry is a deterrent, and it worked for the campesinos in Michoacan against the cartels there, even though the anti open carry Mexican government refused to help them.
All I hear from the anti side is "oh, it'll scare people" and "oh, the bad guys will take my gun away from me."
And now I get "Well,you can carry behind locked gates under a high fence, but don't get out to the feed store, or go pick up propane or hardware with an exposed, holstered handgun." Nonsense.
From the link:
You're grasping at straws at this point. Looks clear that's aimed at CC only. Guess you should have campaigned harder so you CCers had as much freedom as the long gun OCers.
What will be exceptionally funny is when OC passes they don't change the law and the CC folks have to leave their gun in the car while OCers freely roam about.
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Hit this poll, all is not lost Imagine the good guys getting 45% on that website.
Poll: Do you support Target's new firearms policy? | MSNBC
Imagine the good guys getting 45% on that website.Poll: Do you support Target's new firearms policy? | MSNBC
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So far, we've seen anti's call open carry advocates jim bob/ joe bob hick types,
make references to attire (cowboy shoes), been scolded by one who purports to be Army, but didn't know the manual at arms of the m16/ AR format, been told to stay at home and wear my gun there,
that a holstered firearm doesn't give pause to a cowardly criminal but frightens the daylights out of everyone else, that concealed carry is just as efficient as open carry, that Texas is full of "John Wayne" types that have small reproductive organs and therefore must wear guns outside their pants,
that Texans are bullies (even though 44 states allow open carry) and most importantly, ALL these comments are prefaced with " I support the 2nd Amendment, and I support the NRA but..."
Sorry if I missed anyone, but the one thing I haven't seen is a lick of evidence to support the post civil war reconstruction era discrimination against Texas citizens equal rights that are afforded 44 other U.S. state citizens.
I urge those to direct their vehemence, condescension, insults and energy toward the Handgun Control INC types, rather than the non felon Texans and their REAL supporters from other states on this forum.
And go buy a prewar Heavy Duty or a .44spl instead of copping resentments about three or four guys who carry a rifle into a hamburger joint months ago. It'll do wonders for the attitude.
make references to attire (cowboy shoes), been scolded by one who purports to be Army, but didn't know the manual at arms of the m16/ AR format, been told to stay at home and wear my gun there,
that a holstered firearm doesn't give pause to a cowardly criminal but frightens the daylights out of everyone else, that concealed carry is just as efficient as open carry, that Texas is full of "John Wayne" types that have small reproductive organs and therefore must wear guns outside their pants,
that Texans are bullies (even though 44 states allow open carry) and most importantly, ALL these comments are prefaced with " I support the 2nd Amendment, and I support the NRA but..."
Sorry if I missed anyone, but the one thing I haven't seen is a lick of evidence to support the post civil war reconstruction era discrimination against Texas citizens equal rights that are afforded 44 other U.S. state citizens.
I urge those to direct their vehemence, condescension, insults and energy toward the Handgun Control INC types, rather than the non felon Texans and their REAL supporters from other states on this forum.
And go buy a prewar Heavy Duty or a .44spl instead of copping resentments about three or four guys who carry a rifle into a hamburger joint months ago. It'll do wonders for the attitude.
That is a CONCEALED WEAPON statute. And yes, I would like you to go down to chipotles. I'll have a chalupa and a root beer.
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cyphertext
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Our armed forces in Iraq and Afghanistan are an example of a show of force meant to intimidate the enemy. Is that why you are saying you want to carry openly, to intimidate?
This is a perfect example of the right way to invoke our second amendment rights... if the government is not living up to the role of providing security, then the people should take up arms and protect themselves. Same thing with our borders... If the fed gov. won't secure them, I see no problem with the Texas Guard and civilian formed militias stepping in to fill that role.
I'm not opposed to you being able to carry that holstered handgun legally. And if you carried a long gun into the feed store, or hardware store, you aren't making national news. I'm guessing the owner of the store knows you, and if he was unhappy with it, he would ask you not to do it and that would be the end of it... but there is a difference between that and carrying into Target in the metroplex.
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cyphertext
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From the link:
You're grasping at straws at this point. Looks clear that's aimed at CC only. Guess you should have campaigned harder so you CCers had as much freedom as the long gun OCers.
What will be exceptionally funny is when OC passes they don't change the law and the CC folks have to leave their gun in the car while OCers freely roam about.
You guys need to go read it again... it says that it is a felony for unlicensed possession. Concealed Carry is licensed. I can walk past that sign with my carry gun and go buy a six pack of beer at Target.
It is different than the 51% sign, which prohibits CC. That sign is for on premise consumption where revenue from alcohol sales is greater than 50%. You can not carry there, either licensed with conceal carry permit, or open carry.
cyphertext
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TABC doesn't see it that way. You want to be the test case to see who is right?
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