I posted in another thread, the way to stop looting is fly over head and drop job appellations, they will run away in fear.
Would we dare to fire to protect ourselves
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I posted in another thread, the way to stop looting is fly over head and drop job appellations, they will run away in fear.
shouldazagged
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Unless you have ever really had to confront the decision to fire, be you LEO or armed citizen, you cannot know with absolute certainty what you would do. I believe I could fire. I prepare myself mentally to do so at need. I can't really know unless I'm faced with it, especially since I have no family here to defend.
That's just a fact of being human. We can and should prepare, mentally and mechanically, but we don't know for sure till push comes to thug.
That's just a fact of being human. We can and should prepare, mentally and mechanically, but we don't know for sure till push comes to thug.
oberon
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Looters have traditionally always been shot. Dead.
Arsonists touching off an occupied building are fair game here also, and carjackers.
Have any of you ever punched a lawyer?
Arsonists touching off an occupied building are fair game here also, and carjackers.
Have any of you ever punched a lawyer?
I know this is the popular zeitgeist, but is there really any empirical evidence or confirmation of looters being shot dead in the 20th and 21st centuries?
During the aftermath of a F-5 tornado that passed through my little hamlet in 2011, there was a looter shot right behind my house. Don't know if he died or not. Looters came from as far away as Florida to join in the frolic. We didn't have open carry at that time, but I open carried form several days, and spent some time on the front porch with a loaded Mini 14. The gangs of looters went on down the street.
I searched for this story. There was a burglar shot inside Fuel City. The owner, armed with a firearm, awoke to find a burglar in his business. This is a valid shoot all day long. This was a burglary of an occupied structure, and the owner felt his life was in danger. Shooting looters on sight, as has been suggested, doesn't happen. You cannot shoot a person running out of Best Buy with a big screen television under each arm.
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BigBill
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I hope and pray the situation never happens but I do have the skills to protect my family if need be.
I had a bad guy look in my truck once and he seen my double barrel 12ga sitting there with the 30" barrels. No words were said but he did walk away. It's wasn't his day.
When I got my ccw license my uncle told me he who lives by the sword dies by the sword. I told him it's better to have a sword then not having a sword.
I had a bad guy look in my truck once and he seen my double barrel 12ga sitting there with the 30" barrels. No words were said but he did walk away. It's wasn't his day.
When I got my ccw license my uncle told me he who lives by the sword dies by the sword. I told him it's better to have a sword then not having a sword.
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Here, people are too civilized to riot. 
What's worrying, is shooting someone who happens to be a gang member, and being subjected to revenge from other gang members.
In any event, you have to do what you have to do to protect yourself. What happens after that - so it goes.
What's worrying, is shooting someone who happens to be a gang member, and being subjected to revenge from other gang members.
In any event, you have to do what you have to do to protect yourself. What happens after that - so it goes.
chuckster57
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AMEN!!! I was in an armed post for a year. Choice of weapons: Mini 14 (.223) and a 40mm gas gun with solid rubber projectiles. 2 inmates start to assault a 3rd. All with their backs to me, so I couldn't clearly see any weapons. With the shooting policy and writing skills I could have shot the mini. In an instant your mind plays out a MILLION scenarios. I ended up using the xact impact round and hit one of the assailants square in the back. He curled over and the other assailant hit the dirt... Just saying, until a person is faced with life/death situations you never know.
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Don't you just love the society we've become? The honest law-abiding citizen with everything to lose has to second guess whether they should defend themselves against the federally protected criminal species.
mc5aw
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Unfortunately not every member of society shares in this sentiment. If you observe recent protests (Occupy Wall St., etc.), you will notice a cadre of individuals who believe it is their God-given right to confront police with everything from taunts to flaming bottles of gasoline, as well as destroy to property and loot for fun and profit. Some are closet anarchists looking to start trouble, others are gutless opportunists trying to incite conflict for the purposes of personal gain and/or litigation. Every single one of them is a scourge on our nation, and deserves to be treated in the harshest manner possible.
lawandorder
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To get anyone to not respond with like force is one of the goals of these people.
Fact is, defend yourself with lethal force and you're rolling the dice, regardless of circumstance. Even if you're cleared by the authorities and live in a state where you can't be taken to civil court, life changes forever. Mr. Bad Guy has family & friends who are going to know you, your family and where you live. At the very least, you'll be forced to move, more than likely out of state. This isn't to say we shouldn't defend ourselves and family by any means necessary, but always be aware of the other shoe dropping.
hangnoose
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EVEN IF YOU WIN, YOU LOSE.
I found out first hand the hard way, & never fired, even though I had 100% justification. NOT GUILTY does not mean innocent, just that guilt cannot be proven, and yes the cost/time fear changes your life forever. While I most likely would not shoot an old lady for ramming my bad ankle with her shopping cart at walmart (tempting as it might be), If my life, or another's were in a true near death/severe risk of bodily injury, I likely would. As said you can't predict the future though.
I found out first hand the hard way, & never fired, even though I had 100% justification. NOT GUILTY does not mean innocent, just that guilt cannot be proven, and yes the cost/time fear changes your life forever. While I most likely would not shoot an old lady for ramming my bad ankle with her shopping cart at walmart (tempting as it might be), If my life, or another's were in a true near death/severe risk of bodily injury, I likely would. As said you can't predict the future though.
shouldazagged
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In 1968 after the King assassination we had rioting in the West End of this city. It was in my long-ago ministry days, and I was doing volunteer chaplain duty at what was then our main trauma center. I saw a fifteen-year-old boy brought in. He had taken a load of 00 buckshot in the face and neck area, shot by the police while he was looting. As I recall he had both hands full with a television set. He was unarmed.
Taking him to surgery was a formality. He was dead or within seconds of death when they wheeled him past within two feet of me.
So yes, empirical evidence exists.
His mother went before the TV cameras and begged parents to keep their kids at home so they wouldn't experience her grief. And the rioting subsided.
I'm not prepared to say the kid's messy death was an appropriate sacrifice to defuse the disturbance. Maybe it was, but that's not my decision to make. It troubles me to this day.
I'm happy to report that we have an excellent, very well-trained metro police force today.
ironhead7544
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It used to be that if someone was committing a felony and was killed, it was justifiable homicide. That changed in the 80ties. Different states had different rules. In some states adultery was a felony. You can see where mistakes and misuse could happen, and it did. Of course, the criminals had to be a lot more careful.
TexasArmed
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I am old and have lived almost all of my allotted three score and ten. I hear some say they don't know what they would do
till the time comes. I do know what I will and will not do. I will not be pulled out of a vehicle, till my guns are empty. I will not
be the victim of looting as long as I have bullets in my guns. I
do not consider it my obligation to stop looting elsewhere but I can and will defend my property. That being said I live in Texas where property is protected by our laws. That does not
mean one can lure someone into a garage etc, but it does mean
the laws here protect the property owner, and I like our laws.
And if the worst should happen a life sentence for an old man in bad health isn't going to be all that long. I will not fail to defend my family or me, and I would rather die defending myself than life an extra few minutes while I am mauled to
death. No I am not paranoid, and I do not live in fear of attack
and I don't go where I think one is likely. And if the worst happens, I will not move whether the criminal has kinfolks or
gang members that want me. I will stay right where I live till
such time I am ready to move somewhere else and nobody is
going to run me off. When I come and go I am always armed
usually with a 44 special and a 38 special. So the last thing I am going to worry about is the legal proceedings after a shootout. I won't let someone mug me just to avoid those. And no I am not in the business of protecting property of others but I can and will protect mine.
Rastoff
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While adultery doesn't really fit the situation where lethal force is necessary, you can use lethal force to prevent great bodily harm or death in California.
The over arching thought here should be that we don't want to use this force. Lethal force should be a last option to save a life or great bodily injury. If used in that fashion, yes, fire to protect yourself. Yes, your life will be changed, but you'll at least continue to have a life.
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