Range Report Bayou Hi-tek coated 158 L SWC and 2400 in 686

I have found the same results with a 138 powder coated wadcutter. Higher than normal ES, about 50 fps faster than conventional lubed lead and best accuracy.

I also found the barrel shoots better after a few fouling shots. I also found not to mix lead, jacketed or powder coated.

Thanks for the info.

David
 
A couple of thoughts.

1) Some chronographs can be "position sensitive" in regards to where the bullet passes through the timing window. I have a Shooting Chrono and it's only reliably accurate when I put the bullets within 1/2 inch of the joint for the skyscreen mounting rods. Too low or too high and I can see errors or velocities that make no sense at all. Such as a 357 Magnum clocking 2600 fps.

BTW, picked that tidbit watching a Youtube video and if I had the skills to find it I'd post a link. Nowhere in the instructions for the Shooting Chrony did I see any note that it was this sensitive to the height the bullet passes above the sensor.

2) Low temperature in combination with a moderate load and a standard primer may be revealing some position sensitivity in 2400. I know, 2400 isn't supposed to need a Magnum primer, however it may when the powder temps are below a certain point. I would suggest doing a basic test for postition sensitivity with this load by pointing the barrel straight up, tapping the cylinder, and then slowly bringing the gun level before each shot. If you find this results in more stable velocity results the next step would be to try using a Magnum primer and see what that does.
 
.4 grs more powder and POA goes 1" + higher............
but still on the right side of the target.

I wonder what 12.8 grs with a HEAVY crimp would do with the
use of a Standard and a Magnum primer with those coated bullets.?

One wet patch and a few dry ones to clean the barrel............
SWEET !!.
 
Nothing wrong with those results!! I too have found that the coated bullets like a little more powder.

I guess the coating offers a tad more friction than bare lead?

As also mentioned, 2400 doesn't like being loaded light... Congrats on your final load & good shooting!!
 
Nothing wrong with those results!! I too have found that the coated bullets like a little more powder.

I guess the coating offers a tad more friction than bare lead?

As also mentioned, 2400 doesn't like being loaded light... Congrats on your final load & good shooting!!

less actually ... the pressure drops off faster because its a little farther along.

Im looking forward to warmer weather so I can work up a keith type over 4227 to see if that one will sing for me like it has for others using traditional lube.
 
less actually ... the pressure drops off faster because its a little farther along.

Im looking forward to warmer weather so I can work up a keith type over 4227 to see if that one will sing for me like it has for others using traditional lube.

Ahhh, thanks. Makes sense... I tend to get these things backwards!!
 
A couple of thoughts.

1) Some chronographs can be "position sensitive" in regards to where the bullet passes through the timing window. I have a Shooting Chrono and it's only reliably accurate when I put the bullets within 1/2 inch of the joint for the skyscreen mounting rods. Too low or too high and I can see errors or velocities that make no sense at all. Such as a 357 Magnum clocking 2600 fps.

BTW, picked that tidbit watching a Youtube video and if I had the skills to find it I'd post a link. Nowhere in the instructions for the Shooting Chrony did I see any note that it was this sensitive to the height the bullet passes above the sensor.

2) Low temperature in combination with a moderate load and a standard primer may be revealing some position sensitivity in 2400. I know, 2400 isn't supposed to need a Magnum primer, however it may when the powder temps are below a certain point. I would suggest doing a basic test for postition sensitivity with this load by pointing the barrel straight up, tapping the cylinder, and then slowly bringing the gun level before each shot. If you find this results in more stable velocity results the next step would be to try using a Magnum primer and see what that does.


Scooter
My CE Pro Chrono doesn't seem to be sensitive to bullet placement. It will throw errors when I push it too late in the evening. I can usually get a few extra shots in with the sky screens off.

I do check out position sensitivity on light charges, but while13.2 grains isn't a full case - there isn't too much room to move around. These rounds were shot last September and it wasn't too cold then.

I have tried magnum primers - they do fine and I get about 50 fps more - but other than that - I don't notice any difference.
 
.4 grs more powder and POA goes 1" + higher............
but still on the right side of the target.

I wonder what 12.8 grs with a HEAVY crimp would do with the
use of a Standard and a Magnum primer with those coated bullets.?

One wet patch and a few dry ones to clean the barrel............
SWEET !!.

Nevada
POA was the same - its hard to not see that orange dot!
The POI however did move up some.:D

I enjoy testing all the variables, and what if's, collecting the data and try to makee some sense of it

but I promised Rule 3, I'd stop not testing reloads for awhile and just go out and shoot more for my shooting skills.

I have enough "good" loads to know the gun and ammo will shoot 1.5" groups at 25 yards.

so Load development is over for awhile - I'll keep watching your trials...
 
Throw out the high and the low and what does that "data show"??

Too much is made over ES especially with only 18 in the sample.

The proof is always in the shooting. A 25yds, even 100fps diff isn't going to affect accuracy much, the distance is just too short.
I like the hi-tek coating, bullets shoot well in several calibers. I've just started coating my own cast bullets, pretty simple process. Except for the burning brake smell, I like the coated bullets. It adds about 1/2c to each bullet vs conventional lubes, but little to no smoke or leading, a fair trade.
 
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The proof is always in the shooting. A 25yds, even 100fps diff isn't going to affect accuracy much, the distance is just too short.
I like the hi-tek coating, bullets shoot well in several calibers. I've just started coating my own cast bullets, pretty simple process. Except for the burning brake smell, I like the coated bullets. It adds about 1/2c to each bullet vs conventional lubes, but little to no smoke or leading, a fair trade.

Knew we'd see eye to eye eventually:D
 
fredj338,

According to the manufacturer of HI-TEK (Joe) in Australia and his testers there,

If you are getting the BURNT ELECTRICAL smell the coatings WERE NOT BAKED LONG ENOUGH.

More and more commercial casters are joining the HI-TEK revolution and NEED TO IMPROVE THEIR PROCESS.

Self coaters can experiment with time and temps using their own equipment.

The BAKE Temp and Length of bake time can vary WITH YOUR EQUIPMENT.

You need to find what really works for you.

Commercial casters NEED TO RELY ON CUSTOMER FEEDBACK to adjust their process.
 
I just tried out my first bullets coated with the Hi-Tek coating the other day. I had bought some 95 grain RN for 380/9MM, some 158 grain SWC for 38/357 and some 240 SWC for 44 Mag from Bayou Bullets. I went to the indoor range the other day, as it was rainy as heck around here, so I really didn't get to try out accuracy too much (lighting downrange is atrocious), but did get to shoot them.

The 95 grain RN shot well in both 380 Auto and 9 MM, with both loaded to pretty much max loads in their respective calibers. They shot a bit low which I expected, being light bullets running fast, but no problems with feeding or ejection. And no leading whatsoever in either caliber. And both pistols were pretty clean afterwards and easy to clean up.

The 240 grain SWC 44s were loaded over 17.0 grains of A #9, which is a moderate 44 Mag load. They seemed to shoot to about the same POI of my X-Treme 240 grain plated with the same powder load and no problems whatsoever in my 629 Classic. I can't say how clean they burned as I also shot some Nosler 240 JHP that were loaded with one of the dirtiest burning powders I've run across in recent memory; Alliant Power Pro 300 MP. Those Nosler/PP300 loads sooted the heck out of my 629, even though they were loaded close to max. I had the same results with that powder in 357 Mag in one of my Model 27's too. But it burns clean in non-vented pistols such as my Coonan in 357 and Desert Eagle in 44 Mag. I did not see any leading in the 629 after shooting the Bayou bullets.

And now, the 357 Mag rounds loaded with the 158 grain coated SWC bullets. I loaded them over 16.3 grains of 296 and used a firm crimp, as I usually do with loads in this category of powder load. This is a hot load, and I was trying to induce leading if it was going to happen. Instead of one of my 27s, I brought my Coonan Classic to the range instead, since I wanted to see how they would fare in a semi auto pistol and my brother was bringing his Colt Lawman to see how they shot in a revolver. At first, in the Coonan, they seemed to shoot well. But after running 4-5 mags of them I started seeing a few random stoppages, mostly FTF but with one FTE with the extractor jumping the rim of the case. Also, in my brother's Lawman, it was jamming up at about the 4th round. I started examining the cartridges out of his pistol when this happened and found that the bullets were pulling out of the crimp under recoil. This was making the cartridge too long and the bullet nose was protruding from the cylinder and jamming against the forcing cone. And I think that the one FTE I had with the Coonan was on a bullet I had pulled from his Lawman but before I noticed that the bullets were backing out. So I theorize that it was one of the bullets that had moved against the crimp and had loaded up to the lands in the barrel, making pressure rise enough to have the case hold tight enough to make the extractor jump the rim. I had also brought some jacketed bullets with the same powder load and crimp to the range and the Lawman had no problems with those loads with the bullet creeping forward under recoil. When they were able to be shot in the Lawman (and looking at the cases out of the Coonan), there were no over-pressured signs at all. The primers weren't excessively flattened and they weren't sticking in the Lawman's cylinder. Neither the Coonan nor the Lawman showed any signs of leading in the barrel and my Coonan was a snap to clean up after around 50 rounds through it. So, it looks like I might just have to use a very heavy crimp with these loads to make them viable. I am sure that if they are loaded down a little the bullet creeping under recoil will go away too. But, seeing how the coated bullets were creeping but the jacketed bullets held steady with the same powder load makes me wonder if the coating makes the bullets more slippery and have less grip at the case mouth.

I didn't see any heavy smoke out of any of the pistols while shooting the Hi-Tek coated bullets. They actually had less smoke than some of that cheap white box Win 9MM my brother was shooting out of his Glock. The 4 powders they were loaded with were Accurate #2, Accurate #9, WW 296 and CFE Pistol.

I have been impressed enough with the Hi-Tek coating to order some more bullets in the near future. The cost saving is pretty good as compared to even plated bullets and every little bit counts, especially if it doesn't affect accuracy from the switch. In 44 caliber the savings is pretty good. 1000 bullets from Donnie sells for $110. For X-Treme plated 240, it's around $123.50 and for Berry's (at Powder Valley) it's $141.58. And the savings holds true for 38 caliber and 9 MM too, to a lesser extent. So, except for the bullet creep I saw in 357 hot loads, these have performed well for me and I believe I am becoming a convert.
 
But, seeing how the coated bullets were creeping but the jacketed bullets held steady with the same powder load makes me wonder if the coating makes the bullets more slippery and have less grip at the case mouth.

What I've noticed on the MBC SWC-HT bullets I've loaded is that the HT coating fills up the crimp groove & you loose some of the normal depth it has making the roll-crimp less effective. That said, I've loaded those bullets in 45 Colt +P & reduced 460 loads & haven't had any issues with bullet jump. In fact, in the 45 Colt loads I've gone to seating the bullet a smidge deeper & using a taper crimp, with no issues.

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BLUEDOT37, what are you using for a taper crimp die? A 45 Auto die or do they make a taper crimp die for 45 Colt? Yesterday I was reloading a bunch of stuff and took the rest of those high powered 357 loads and ran them back through my bullet seating die and seated them marginally deeper and re-ran them through my factory crimp die and put a very heavy crimp on them. Plus, next time I go to the range I want to try them out in one of my N frames and also my Rossi 1892 carbine and see if I see any bullet jump with those guns. And I think in the future, I will just down load them a bit as I am using them for range play and not hunting or defensive loads.

One other issue I ran into when reloading the 95 grain bullets in 380 Auto and 9MM isn't a problem itself with bullet performance, but rather I have run across 3 undersized .356 9MM bullets out of the 400 I've reloaded so far. They are enough undersized that you can push the bullet in the case to seating depth by hand and even after taper crimping them you can turn (and pull the bullet) by hand. The back driving band below the lube groove is .003-.004" smaller than the rest of the normal bullets. Bayou did put 504 bullets in the box, so I can run across 1 more like this and still have a true 500 usable bullet count with the 9MM bullets, but I haven't run into this with the .358 or .430 sized bullets yet.
 
BLUEDOT37, what are you using for a taper crimp die? A 45 Auto die or do they make a taper crimp die for 45 Colt?

I've been using my Lyman 45ACP/45 Colt taper crimp die lately for these, in conjunction with a Lyman "M" Expander die (.4485" plug).

I also have Lee FCD sets for 45 ACP & 45 Colt. What you can do when you need a taper crimp on a 45 Colt or 454 Casull case is switch the taper crimp plug from inside the 45ACP FCD to the 45 Colt FCD. [Conversely, when I want to use a bullet with a cannelure in a 45 Auto Rim case, I put the 45 Colt FCD crimp (roll) plug, along with a copper bushing spacer (~0.5" long by ~0.5" wide as the Colt insert is shorter than the ACP's) in the Lee 45ACP FCD so I can roll crimp 45 ARs.)

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I have had outstanding results with Bayou coated slugs in 44 Magnum 240gr LSWC. They make a fine product at a fair price. Will buy from them again....and again, and again.
 
fredj338,

According to the manufacturer of HI-TEK (Joe) in Australia and his testers there,

If you are getting the BURNT ELECTRICAL smell the coatings WERE NOT BAKED LONG ENOUGH.

More and more commercial casters are joining the HI-TEK revolution and NEED TO IMPROVE THEIR PROCESS.

Self coaters can experiment with time and temps using their own equipment.

The BAKE Temp and Length of bake time can vary WITH YOUR EQUIPMENT.

You need to find what really works for you.

Commercial casters NEED TO RELY ON CUSTOMER FEEDBACK to adjust their process.
Well then Bayou & Missouri aren't doing it right either, their bullets smell like burning brakes. With all do respect to hi-tek joe, not buying it. The coating is not unlike a lube, add heat, it's going to produce something. It's not really bad, but I can always tell when someone is shooting hi-tek coated bullets.
 
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