What SD Ammo in an Airweight J-Frame?

I have a Model 38 (no dash) & like to practice with the EXACT same ammo I carry for SD.
So +P is out.

I don't understand practicing with one type of ammo & carrying another.
Doesn't that defeat the purpose of practicing???

Seeing its an Airweight, a steady diet of +P ammo would not be good for the gun.

So I make my own 125 gr LRN.

Ya, it's not the "best" bullet, but with a 38 Spl, placement is king.

Just my 2¢
 
Not trying to be difficult, but what do you mean by Airweight/lightweight? The modern versions (637, 638, 642, 442 what have I omitted?) will all handle +P.

The older era guns (37, 38, 42) I restrict to standard pressure service loads and wadcutters. They are painful to shoot even with these. To me, these guns have a 'tinny' feel when shooting.

With the Airlites (337, 342), you have to experiment to find a load that will not have crimp-jump. But then, I find it necessary to do this with all my lightweights.

Kaaskop49
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135 gr Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel +P, if you can find it. Snappy recoil but proven.

I concur with this. It is the best that I have found. If you can, purchase it in the 50-rd boxes, meant for LE. Generally, it is available online at very reduced prices versus 20-rd boxes.
 
< snip > I now carry the Buffalo Bore standard-pressure version that is ballistically virtually identical to the older, faster +P load. It's in my four-inch K-frame house gun too. It's been my choice for years. < snip >

FWIW, in both my 2" and 4" guns, the BB standard pressure load chronographed at exactly the same velocity as Remington +P rounds with the same bullet. Loads were fired back to back, so conditions were the same. Recoil felt the same too (i.e., not much fun in an aluminum frame). Not quite sure how BB manages to do that with standard pressures, but . . .

I've also found that 158g bullets strike closer to the point of aim with all of my fixed sight 38s than any other weight of bullet in a commercial load. So my carry load is the 158g FBI load, either the BB standard pressure or the Remington +Ps.
 
Another vote for the Speer 135 gr SB, either plus P, or their light magnum version. This is for my M686 Pro and 3 inch M60-15.
I also like full WC's like BB or Double Tap, which are a little less power than the BB. I can't practice with lead bullets at my range, since they require a metal jacket. Also, the WC's shoot quite high in the non adjustable snubs.

Best,
Rick
 
Don't carry my Model 38-3 much anymore, but when I do it's what snubbyfan posted.... the Federal 110 grain Hydra-Shok Personal Defense.

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+1 Invictus

I am gonna get shelled but I carry copper jacketed wad cutters in mine 148 grain standard pressure, they still cut a nice neat hole.

Just my preference.

pete
 
340PD and Civil Defense .38cal. 50gr. 1500fps. Got a deal on a couple hundred. I like how these rounds shoot but uncertain if it's a round to stick with. They make a lot of claims but I'm skeptical of it being a true self defense round.
 
Let me start with:

"It's a free country, all'yall can shoot whatever you want in a snub nose .38"

With that said however, let's consider a few things:

1) The standard pressure .38 Special is considered my many to be the "floor" for self defense (along with the 9mm in a semiautomatic). However that assumption is based on the performance of a .38 Special in a 4" service revolver.

2) Out of a 2" snub nose revolver, you're going to lose between 75 fps and 100 fps in velocity with a standard pressure .38 depending on the specific load. In field use, that's enough to put the standard pressure .38 Special from a 2" revolver in the same class as a .380 ACP out of a 3.5"-4" barrel.

There is a great deal of irony to be found when you encounter someone who's a fan of the standard pressure .38 in a snub nose revolver with 5 rounds, but who looks down his nose at someone carrying a PP in .380 ACP with 8 rounds in the pistol.

3) .38 +P loads lose even more velocity going from a 4" barrel to a 2" barrel, but they start out a lot faster. So even though they'll lose about 150 fps relative to a 4" service revolver, you'll still get velocities in the 900fps-950 fps range with 158gr and 125gr bullets respectively.

4) With a decently designed grip .38 +P loads are still quite manageable even in an lightweight revolver, so my advice is if you're going to use a 2" lightweight revolver for self defense, use a +P load. Don't kid yourself that 2" standard pressure results will be the same as 4" standard pressure results.

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Personally, I've never seen the advantage of the lightweight J-frame revolvers. The all steel Model 36 and Model 60 revolvers are much more durable, allowing you to practice regularly with a substantial number of rounds without wearing them out or loosening them up, they are easier to shoot accurately and rapidly due to the extra 6-7 ounces, but that extra weight does not prevent you from carrying one IWB all day long in comfort.
 
135 gr Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel +P in my 642. It's a proven round and is currently in stock in 50 rnd boxes at sgammo.com. $28.95 / box.
 
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Remington 38 special 148 grain Target Master Wadcutter.
Why, it is accurate, I shoot it well and I can shoot fast follow up shots with it. In a gunfight only hits matter.
Gary
 
What .38 or .38+P self defense ammo do you carry in your snubby Airweight J-Frame? Manufacturer, bullet style, grain weight, etc. I've read so many conflicting SD ammo tests on the net, I'm curious what everyday real people rely on.

Hornady American Gunner 38 Spl 125 gr Xtp - these SD carry hollow points are great for low recoil, hit is powerful and outstanding for a S&W J frame or my S@W bodyguard 38
 
I have a 1968 model 60. I like the gun. It's not rated for +P. Granted, some folks say I can use +P, but I'm not going to do it. I get the point about the 380 comparison etc. but, my question is this. I'm going to carry my 1968 model 60. What's the best SD round for that weapon (non +P)? And, what's the best, most economical target round go be using in it? I just purchased some American Eagle 38 Special 158 grain lead round nose for target purpose, assuming that was a good choice?

Thanks for the input.

Let me start with:

"It's a free country, all'yall can shoot whatever you want in a snub nose .38"

With that said however, let's consider a few things:

1) The standard pressure .38 Special is considered my many to be the "floor" for self defense (along with the 9mm in a semiautomatic). However that assumption is based on the performance of a .38 Special in a 4" service revolver.

2) Out of a 2" snub nose revolver, you're going to lose between 75 fps and 100 fps in velocity with a standard pressure .38 depending on the specific load. In field use, that's enough to put the standard pressure .38 Special from a 2" revolver in the same class as a .380 ACP out of a 3.5"-4" barrel.

There is a great deal of irony to be found when you encounter someone who's a fan of the standard pressure .38 in a snub nose revolver with 5 rounds, but who looks down his nose at someone carrying a PP in .380 ACP with 8 rounds in the pistol.

3) .38 +P loads lose even more velocity going from a 4" barrel to a 2" barrel, but they start out a lot faster. So even though they'll lose about 150 fps relative to a 4" service revolver, you'll still get velocities in the 900fps-950 fps range with 158gr and 125gr bullets respectively.

4) With a decently designed grip .38 +P loads are still quite manageable even in an lightweight revolver, so my advice is if you're going to use a 2" lightweight revolver for self defense, use a +P load. Don't kid yourself that 2" standard pressure results will be the same as 4" standard pressure results.

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Personally, I've never seen the advantage of the lightweight J-frame revolvers. The all steel Model 36 and Model 60 revolvers are much more durable, allowing you to practice regularly with a substantial number of rounds without wearing them out or loosening them up, they are easier to shoot accurately and rapidly due to the extra 6-7 ounces, but that extra weight does not prevent you from carrying one IWB all day long in comfort.
 
135 gr Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel +P, if you can find it. Snappy recoil but proven.

I am recoil sensitive but the above round isn't bad. Wouldn't want to shoot 100 rounds of it but no problem with 5-20. What is important is it works. This is what I carry in my .38 J Frames.
 
My Snubby Air-weight is a 317.
I loaded all 10 cylinders with Sub-Sonic 40 Grain.
 
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