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Guns In Vehicles: Don't Do It.
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I have been reading this thread since the beginning. Have read all posts several times and will continue to read them. What a can of worms!
I have to say that if any person has the time to sit around and think about his or her moral responsibility of the actions of a criminal, maybe it is time to get a hobby.
I have to say that if any person has the time to sit around and think about his or her moral responsibility of the actions of a criminal, maybe it is time to get a hobby.
Of course, there are people in the gun prohibition movement who would be gleeful to see passage of legislation that holds armed citizens responsible for crimes committed with stolen firearms, especially if they were not secured.
I don't willingly stop carrying a firearm in my car because someone else lost his. I've had guns stolen before; it never stopped me from my usual routine except that at night I bring the car gun into the house. Otherwise it is in the car for a reason.
I recently was stopped by a police officer for a minor traffic violation in a town near where I live that shall remain nameless. When I presented my CHL, as required by law, he didn't want to see it. All he said was, "This is Nameless; every car in Nameless has a gun in it".
Nuf sed.
And, DW is correct:
The law, however, is clear on the subject. A crime is considered an unforeseeable act which breaks the causal connection between the owner of a chattel used in a crime by a thief and the actual owner of the chattel.
Now, that can change if the chattel owner does something stupid/negligent, like leave a pistol on the front seat of an open top convertible or other idiocy of a similar nature.
The law, however, is clear on the subject. A crime is considered an unforeseeable act which breaks the causal connection between the owner of a chattel used in a crime by a thief and the actual owner of the chattel.
Now, that can change if the chattel owner does something stupid/negligent, like leave a pistol on the front seat of an open top convertible or other idiocy of a similar nature.
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Let me jump in on this a bit.,...
IF...a person has to remove their gun from their body to go into a place that does not allow weapons..open carry or concealed. and they Lock their gun in their vehicle, then precautions were taken to prevent to prevent such a theft....
No more than I can be responsible for locking my home before I leave, and my home is broken into, and my guns were stolen...I took normal precautions to prevent theft of my belongings..
None of us would leave the keys in our car or truck when we go out to eat or to shop, or anywhere we are out of sight of our vehicle for any length of time....And given this day and age, most of us take the keys out and lock our cars before we leave it.
So what are we to do, call 911 and have a LEO come and guard our vehicle when we are not in it?
Federali, you do bring up some good points for our discussion here though. Thank you for your post and concerns.
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IF...a person has to remove their gun from their body to go into a place that does not allow weapons..open carry or concealed. and they Lock their gun in their vehicle, then precautions were taken to prevent to prevent such a theft....
No more than I can be responsible for locking my home before I leave, and my home is broken into, and my guns were stolen...I took normal precautions to prevent theft of my belongings..
None of us would leave the keys in our car or truck when we go out to eat or to shop, or anywhere we are out of sight of our vehicle for any length of time....And given this day and age, most of us take the keys out and lock our cars before we leave it.
So what are we to do, call 911 and have a LEO come and guard our vehicle when we are not in it?
Federali, you do bring up some good points for our discussion here though. Thank you for your post and concerns.
WuzzFuzz
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UNLESS you're going to violate black letter law and carry into statutorily prohibited places, you're either going to:
- leave your gun in your car for at least short periods.
- go unarmed.
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I can't imagine not having a gun in my truck or car in addition to the one I'm carrying.
Do I leave it in the vehicle when I get out to do things? Yep, sure do. In order to steal it, the thug's gotta find it first, and I guarantee you no smash-and-grab punk's gonna find it. And even if he did find it, I doubt he'd be able to access it.
No system is foolproof, of course. But I'm confident no thief's gonna spend twenty or thirty minutes looking for my truck gun, and even more time trying to get at it and steal it.
Here's a hint, too. I'm an NRA member. But you won't see an NRA decal on either of my vehicles. No other gun-associated decals, either. Seriously, why draw attention to yourself with product stickers all over your back bumper or back window? Or some of that NRA "Cold Dead Hands" stuff.
No judge around here would even let a case like that get started. Nor would a jury ever go for it. I see guns in cars and trucks all the time. Some of them are unlocked. I wouldn't want to get caught stealing a gun around here. If you got shot doing it nobody would arrest who ever shot you. To bad most of the country has completely lost its mind.
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Comrad
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How about laying the blame on the likely circumstance that he needed to go somewhere where there was a no carry ordinance. Coupled with the madness of that whacky SF policy of not notifying ICE that they had released a 5 time deported illegal. I think there's quite a bit of blame for those who instituted that policy.
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I have no need to go to the Post Office.
If I had a gun stolen out of my vehicle any guilt I would feel is that I had contributed to the anti gun goons argument against us if it was used in a crime. It would be an incorrect argument but one I am sure they would make non the less. Incorrect arguments are the substance of their philosophy.
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Haven't heard of any but I suppose some liability is possible. On the other hand, how many carjackings, rapes, muggings, murders... on and on... are there outside the home? To suggest you're safer or otherwise better off to leave your gun at home than to risk potential liability of a gun being left in the car certainly isn't a risk assessment that I would consider.
Here in the last State to allow CCW they specifically wrote into the law that your car is safe haven for firearm storage. There are twenty some statutory illegal places to carry plus anyplace that decides to post on the door. Sometimes it is leave it in the car or leave it at home. I prefer to have it with me as much as possible.
I carry a gun to work everyday. I drive a Mercedes Sprinter van. There is a pistol safe in the back. I purposely bolted it down in a position where it would be difficult to pry open.
Add that the vehicle is locked and there are auxiliary locks on both cargo doors.
If they get in and get my gun, they earned it.
I think the discussion needs to focus on storing your gun in your car RESPONSIBLY.
Add that the vehicle is locked and there are auxiliary locks on both cargo doors.
If they get in and get my gun, they earned it.
I think the discussion needs to focus on storing your gun in your car RESPONSIBLY.
Out of sight with the doors locked and nothing else of value in plain sight either counts as responsible to me. At that point, if someone breaks in and finds it, it's more than just a crime of opportunity.
I make a point to pull off in an obscure and empty parking lot before I go into a parking lot where I would need to disarm, do it "off site" and drive around an extra loop before parking in the hospital lot.
I have no bumper / window stickers beyond what the company requires for the lot. You can't tell who I vote for or what I carry.
Yes, I am "paranoid", and it is because they watch. I am required to watch others, I have no doubt they watch me.
I have no bumper / window stickers beyond what the company requires for the lot. You can't tell who I vote for or what I carry.
Yes, I am "paranoid", and it is because they watch. I am required to watch others, I have no doubt they watch me.
I have a heavy duty gun storage box cable-locked to the seat in my daily driver. Whenever I have to go into someplace where my gun is prohibited I lock it in the box and slide it under the seat out of sight. I figure it will be WAY more than enough to deter smash-and grab types. To break into the car and then break into the lock box too they are going to have to be some pretty determined and well equipped thieves - and have some serious time to work at getting to it...
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