Open Carry: I knew it would happen
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keith44spl
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A man's got to know his limitations....
I most times conceal carry and open carry at the same time.
It's that so wrong???
But mostly, I mind my own business...which takes all my waking hours.
Jest don't have any time left to minds other folk's bees wax.
** I also looked at the link in the first post......somebodys at the
Bald Knob PD didn't get the memo
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I most times conceal carry and open carry at the same time.
It's that so wrong???
But mostly, I mind my own business...which takes all my waking hours.
Jest don't have any time left to minds other folk's bees wax.
** I also looked at the link in the first post......somebodys at the
Bald Knob PD didn't get the memo
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So what was he arrested for again? Possibly putting his gun into action?
I would much rather see someone OC than to be having my coffee at McDonald's and have to see someone standing in line wearing his pants below his cheeks, with his underwear showing. Now that is something that should be illegal!!!!!!
keith44spl
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Did ya watch the interview video?
The officers are trying to hold court at the PD...Gees
The poor victim should have lawyer'd up first thing and not bannat'd words with that pair of fools.
But, this does beg the question...
What backwoods holler is this Bald Knob located, that they don't receive up dates on their statutes?
Or do they jest pick out a chapter and verse that they like and run with it.
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I liked the one guy(at around the 13 minute mark) who told the victim, to paraphrase, " whatya need a gun for, if you need help in a situation, that's what we're here for".
I agree he should have lawyered up instead of arguing.
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One of the reasons, when traveling throughout this great land called America, I stick close to the major roads for the most part.
Except when I went to WY, MT, SD and UT.
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Mainsail
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Well, since I took all the time to peck this out for the other OC thread, I'll CTRL-V it here as well:
Several years ago I was walking on a Sunday morning through Wright Park in the Stadium District of Tacoma. The path around the park is wide enough for the park’s pickup trucks to use- just to give you an idea of how wide it is.
Two youts were approaching from the opposite direction I was walking, and when we passed there ~would be~ at least six feet between them (walking two abreast) and me over on the right side of the path. I didn’t give them much thought because it was pretty early and the thugs ‘should’ be home sleeping off whatever they had consumed the night before.
While they were fifteenish feet in front of me, the guy on the outside (far left to me) jump-stepped and crossed awkwardly in front of the other and was moving directly towards me, vs continuing around the bend in the trail. From about six feet away, and blocking the path in front of me, he suddenly veers back while throwing up his hands and saying, “Hey no problem man…”
It happened way too fast for me to have even realized what had just happened. I was walking with my hands inside the kangaroo pocket of my sweatshirt because it was cold, and as he got in front of me he was able to see the Sig 1911 I was carrying openly on my right side (in one of those leg destroying Serpa holsters no less).
Having given it some thought as I walked, and later at home, I believe he was either planning to play knockout game with me (without asking if I wanted to) or had decided my Oakley Juliets would look better on his face than mine (debatable). Open carry deterred him.
What with hindsight being 20-20 and all, I realized several things:
- Concealed carry would have been useless. I could not draw on every person that approached me in the park, and I could not draw and give chase after they had knocked me down and/or stolen my sunglasses/wallet/watch whatever. Pocket carry in my hand would likewise be a fail. Would I really want to shoot someone over a pair of sunglasses? Would I want that legal world of hurt that would avalanche my way? Would I want to live with having killed someone for such a petty thing?
- I also realized that even though I wouldn’t want to shoot anyone over the theft of a pair of sunglasses, the robber has no idea about my mental stability. For all he knows I think exactly the same way he does; violence is a viable solution to a problem.
- I walked several more laps around the park after the non-incident and if they had wanted to ambush me, I suppose they could have tried to- but I never saw them again.
So the anti-OC people can talk all the smack they want, dream up all sorts of wild fantasies of what might happen, and cop their smug attitude about their tactically superior concealed carry surprise- I really don’t care. You see, I don’t want to shoot anyone. If I can make it my whole life without shooting anyone- it’s jelly to me.
Concealed carry cannot directly deter crimes- either the kind for which deadly force is appropriate, or the petty kind for which deadly force will put YOU in jail. Reading some of the responses in the many ‘OC is bad’ posts in the many threads, I worry that there are people that are secretly hoping for the chance to whip out their gat and surprise some street thug.
Several years ago I was walking on a Sunday morning through Wright Park in the Stadium District of Tacoma. The path around the park is wide enough for the park’s pickup trucks to use- just to give you an idea of how wide it is.
Two youts were approaching from the opposite direction I was walking, and when we passed there ~would be~ at least six feet between them (walking two abreast) and me over on the right side of the path. I didn’t give them much thought because it was pretty early and the thugs ‘should’ be home sleeping off whatever they had consumed the night before.
While they were fifteenish feet in front of me, the guy on the outside (far left to me) jump-stepped and crossed awkwardly in front of the other and was moving directly towards me, vs continuing around the bend in the trail. From about six feet away, and blocking the path in front of me, he suddenly veers back while throwing up his hands and saying, “Hey no problem man…”
It happened way too fast for me to have even realized what had just happened. I was walking with my hands inside the kangaroo pocket of my sweatshirt because it was cold, and as he got in front of me he was able to see the Sig 1911 I was carrying openly on my right side (in one of those leg destroying Serpa holsters no less).
Having given it some thought as I walked, and later at home, I believe he was either planning to play knockout game with me (without asking if I wanted to) or had decided my Oakley Juliets would look better on his face than mine (debatable). Open carry deterred him.
What with hindsight being 20-20 and all, I realized several things:
- Concealed carry would have been useless. I could not draw on every person that approached me in the park, and I could not draw and give chase after they had knocked me down and/or stolen my sunglasses/wallet/watch whatever. Pocket carry in my hand would likewise be a fail. Would I really want to shoot someone over a pair of sunglasses? Would I want that legal world of hurt that would avalanche my way? Would I want to live with having killed someone for such a petty thing?
- I also realized that even though I wouldn’t want to shoot anyone over the theft of a pair of sunglasses, the robber has no idea about my mental stability. For all he knows I think exactly the same way he does; violence is a viable solution to a problem.
- I walked several more laps around the park after the non-incident and if they had wanted to ambush me, I suppose they could have tried to- but I never saw them again.
So the anti-OC people can talk all the smack they want, dream up all sorts of wild fantasies of what might happen, and cop their smug attitude about their tactically superior concealed carry surprise- I really don’t care. You see, I don’t want to shoot anyone. If I can make it my whole life without shooting anyone- it’s jelly to me.
Concealed carry cannot directly deter crimes- either the kind for which deadly force is appropriate, or the petty kind for which deadly force will put YOU in jail. Reading some of the responses in the many ‘OC is bad’ posts in the many threads, I worry that there are people that are secretly hoping for the chance to whip out their gat and surprise some street thug.
cmort666
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You wouldn't be shooting him over sunglasses.
You'd be shooting him over his criminal assault of you to UNLAWFULLY TAKE the sunglasses.
I can't say this enough times:
STRONGARM ROBBERY IS NOT A "PROPERTY" CRIME.
That of course assume that he JUST wanted glasses and not to additionally maim or murder somebody.
Violence IS a viable solution to a problem.
Whose flag flies over the city of Kursk? The German or the Russian?
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Mainsail:
Thanks for sharing that story. This summer while on vacation with my wife, young daughter, and my mom in Virginia Beach area, I had a VERY similar 'non-incident' at a gas station while my family was in the SUV. Three 'thugs' came walking off the highway, looking right at me and my family, walking directly toward us, and when they all saw my holstered Heckler & Koch P7 as I turned to operate the gas nozzle, they all suddenly veered to their left and decided that the store was a better place to loiter instead of my family. I very quickly got the hell out of that gas station. It was clear as day what happened there.
Not a word was exchanged.
Thanks for sharing that story. This summer while on vacation with my wife, young daughter, and my mom in Virginia Beach area, I had a VERY similar 'non-incident' at a gas station while my family was in the SUV. Three 'thugs' came walking off the highway, looking right at me and my family, walking directly toward us, and when they all saw my holstered Heckler & Koch P7 as I turned to operate the gas nozzle, they all suddenly veered to their left and decided that the store was a better place to loiter instead of my family. I very quickly got the hell out of that gas station. It was clear as day what happened there.
Not a word was exchanged.
Mainsail
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I don't disagree, but what you're failing to realize, from the comfort of your chair, is that if I was carrying concealed they would have been walking away before I could have reacted, got up, and drawn the gun. What then? Shoot them in the back? Chase them and hold them at gunpoint for police? Taunt them and try to escalate it so they came back, and then surprise them with a COM shot? The only other option would be to draw from concealment beforehand whenever anyone approached.
You are making the assumption that these sorts of crimes happen like on TV, where the bad guy(s) circle around like wolves for a minute or so. In my case there was NO time beforehand to do anything other than watch and see how it would play out.
You're usually better off lawyering up instead of just about anything with the Police
and you don't speak for them or represent them.
The bubbas some speak of just might be the ones to help your fanny out some day, or help you on some deserted road when you break down.
The I am better then you holier then you attitude makes me a tad sick.
Just like the people that get all bent out of shape cause some poor dirt farmer goes in a gun store with his dirty work cloths on.
Oh my, might mess up there LL Bean shirt or get dirt on there new loafers.
Pa-lease-- give me a constitutional good old USA break.
cmort666
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I didn't say you were wrong to open carry.
I said you were wrong to characterize a potential STRONGARM ROBBERY as a "property" crime. It's NOT. It would have been a crime against a PERSON, YOU.
I would never shoot somebody stealing my unoccupied car, or climbing OUT of my living room window with my twenty year old VCR. That has NOTHING to do with somebody putting me in immediate and reasonable fear of life and limb. I don't care if they're attacking me for a gold bar or a box of golden grahams. THAT is a really good way to get shot.
I don't open carry, but fully support your right to do so where lawful.
What I DON'T support is the notion that it's EVER permissible to TAKE something by FORCE, or that one should EVER view that as a mere "property" crime.
Were you OC'ing?
What "tactical advantage" would you have had with a concealed weapon like touted so much around here? Three men coming up on you.
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kbm6893
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For every story that OC prevented a crime, I can find one where it didn't. Truth is there are far too many variables in whether the open display of a weapon discourages crimes. Banks, armored cars, jewelry stores, and even gun shops get robbed. Depends on how bad the perp wants what you got, or his mental state (a junkie needing a fix isn't gonna be dissuaded from robbing you.
And in the story you mentioned, you don't even know if the guys were about to rob you. They did t say anything. Didn't try to take anything. The guy saying "no problem man" could just as well been his reaction to seeing your startled reaction and your holstered weapon. Or they might have assumed you were a cop and didn't want to mess with a cop. Who knows?
Look, OC all you want. I'm typing this as I sit in a park watching my kids play. Nobody knows I have my LC9-S in my waist. And I live in an OC state. And I rarely see it.
And in the story you mentioned, you don't even know if the guys were about to rob you. They did t say anything. Didn't try to take anything. The guy saying "no problem man" could just as well been his reaction to seeing your startled reaction and your holstered weapon. Or they might have assumed you were a cop and didn't want to mess with a cop. Who knows?
Look, OC all you want. I'm typing this as I sit in a park watching my kids play. Nobody knows I have my LC9-S in my waist. And I live in an OC state. And I rarely see it.
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kbm6893
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I don't try to speak for the OC fanatics with their AR's and vanity plates. I don't even know their language.
Shorty 45 MK2
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Snubby, throw on some more popcorn!
keith44spl
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Yes Sir,
We never know.............
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Shorty 45 MK2
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you know if you read the OC vs CC or .45 vs 9mm threads while holding your head to the side, it makes them seem less "same song, 800th verse." 
That tip is free BTW.
That tip is free BTW.
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