Ford's Custom Gun Refinishing

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The Ford's name comes up here often and I know I'm not the only fan of their services. I'm fortunate to live within driving distance of Crystal River, FL and have enjoyed getting to know the Ford's folks a bit over the past couple of years as they've refinished 6 revolvers for me during that time.

At times I've been reluctant to sing their praises too much since the wait is already running 5 to 6 months and I've had things in que or planning to put in que and I didn't want the rest of you guys gettin' in my way.(:p) But I'm in a lull right now with nothing needing the spa treatment at Ford's so I'll let the rest of ya'll have at it for a while.

I'm not a serious collector and how refinishing affects collector value doesn't really interest me much. I like to find nice old shooters that are still in good mechanical condition but have suffered some poor mishap that has really hurt the cosmetics. If I can find something and buy it right due to the cosmetics I let Ford's work their magic and I end up with a beautiful revolver that I can shoot and enjoy and also feel like I rescued a fine revolver from becoming somebody's truck gun or boat gun or barn gun. I realize I have more money invested in these old guns than they're worth but I don't really care - I love how they look, how they shoot and the intangible value they have to me.

Since most of these examples fall into this forum (S&W Revolvers: 1961 to 1980) I'm posting this thread here. But the first gun is my old 1-liner K22 from the late 1940's This was a pawn shop rescue that turned out to be such a sweet shooting revolver I felt it deserved a better fate than to look like a rusty old wreck.





This 19-3 was another pawn shop deal. The owner called me and said he had an old Smith I oughta come see. I went right over and he brought out this 19-3 that actually didn't look too bad. Until you turned it over and saw that one side had been stored in contact with something that ate the bluing badly on that side. He didn't even want to put it in the gun case and sold it to me for cheap. Too nice a gun to let suffer so off to Ford's it went.



When I found this 4" 27-2 it was a nickel example with a lot of cosmetic issues from poor handling, cleaning solvents, who knows. It was wearing an old Pachmayr grip with some rust under the rubber. I've always admired the old "pinto" guns and decided to have Ford's do the Pinto look. They surprised me with a few unexpected touches - the side plate screws are nickel, the barrel pin is nickel and the cylinder stop is nickel. I didn't give them specific instructions but rather turned them loose to create a pinto as they saw fit. Here's what they came up with. (Not trying to faithfully copy an original, this is Ford's own interpretation.)





I have a thing for the 27-2 and I'm always looking for a "deal" on one. Often the "deal" is because the gun looks tired, has finish damage and has damaged stocks. Perfect!

4" 27-2



5" 27-2



8 3/8" 27-2



I don't have any before pictures for most of these as I just didn't think it important at the time. I'm kicking myself now for not documenting them before they went off to Ford's but it's too late now.

I've had nothing but the best experience working with Ford's. The rates are a bargain in my opinion and the work is first rate. On most of these I paid the extra fee to have the hammers and triggers sent out for new case coloring, something Ford's doesn't do in-house. The results speak for themselves. Actually these guns look better in person as my camera skills aren't so terrific.

Sorry to be kinda long-winded but I wanted to share my Ford's experience and post up some photos of them. I was thinking I had done 5 but putting them all together I see I have 6. FWIW if you have 10 done the 11th one is free......
 
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Thanks for posting these guns. I have two there now, can't wait to get them back after seeing the great job they did on yours.
 
I am curious to see how the right side of the K22 turned out.

Pretty well actually. The pitting is gone and the surface is level and uniform. They re-engraved the S&W logo but I lost the one-liner. It's now a no-liner. Keep in mind it's a refinishing shop and not a restoration service. I was amazed at what they were able to do with this one.

 
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Thank you. I have about a month wait on my pre 19. It's my first time doing a re-bluing. I hated the condition it was in much more than the value aspect.
They did call me, on a Sunday, and asked about the logo. I'm glad I said yes. Never did ask how much for the additional work, I just want it looking good so I can shoot the $hit out of it.
 
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Just like old cars. The most sought after is the original finish one that looks like it's fresh out of the showroom. But, if my classic car has a tired finish along with good bones, I'm gonna repaint it. Don't want to drive a crappy looking car just to preserve it as an "unrestored original". Guns are no different.
 
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App an hour away for me too. I used to work much closer & go to drool on their showcase glass on my lunch breaks. The only gun I had them do was a 1957 Marlin waffle top/ black walnut stock 35 cal, it came out beautiful but I sold it as some Bubba had drilled thru the waffle pattern to mount a scope & I just couldn't look at it without getting PO'd, & I got my old Win 375 BB XTR back. That was app 5 years ago & they were turning away people & only doing walk ups. Wait time NOW, (thanks) a year (in gunsmith time). Nice pics. If you need other guns to help you reach # 10 I have a Ruger speed 6 & a mdl 10 I'd be willing to let you have done for me.
 
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First year RM.. needed a bit of work. They did it justice!!:D:D
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Fords hard chromed my P7M8 back in 2001 and did a great job. They removed the mill mark that came on refurbs and since the slide had to be shaved down, they had to re-engrave the date code and markings. They also hard chromed my 442. Don't have the p7 anymore as I traded it to Matt Del Fatti for his P2000 after I lost part iof my middle finger. Still have the 442 and its held up well. Best 110 bucks I ever spent. :)
 
If you have a cow pattie, you got a prairie muffin. There is no way to put metal back where it was. You can polish and buff all you want. It still is not factory original. I have six S&W around my house that are not factory perfect. They all function perfectly and I use them. They are loaded. The LNIB are locked in the safe. Any guy on this Forum can see a refinish. Nobody is being fooled. We all know what they are suppose to look like. If you have to feed the refinish guys, please do. They deserve a living. Just my thoughts. Come back cruel if you want. If you got a **** that shoots you got a ****. Save your money.
 
I COULD THINK OF MANY WORSE WAYS TO "WASTE" YOUR MONEY.

It's his $ & if it makes him happy it's $ well spent. Looking at the pics make me warm & fuzzy. Not a fan of the 2 tone, but love the 4" 27-2. Which treatment grades did you get? I was wondering If they could remove the owners manual from the speed 6 bbl. Any idea what the super ultimate grade service goes for, I know, more than the gun & if you have to ask you can't afford it. I've bought plenty of stuff I couldn't afford. YES it may be crazy but I think the speed 6 snub would make a dandy BBQ gun when all pimped out. Haters gonna hate & MAY be the same types that don't believe in cleaning guns either. To each his own.
 
Pretty well actually. The pitting is gone and the surface is level and uniform. They re-engraved the S&W logo but I lost the one-liner. It's now a no-liner. Keep in mind it's a refinishing shop and not a restoration service. I was amazed at what they were able to do with this one.


Thanks, appreciate you posting the pic. They did do a great job with those pitted areas. You now have a very nice revolver.

If you have a cow pattie, you got a prairie muffin. There is no way to put metal back where it was. You can polish and buff all you want. It still is not factory original. I have six S&W around my house that are not factory perfect. They all function perfectly and I use them. They are loaded. The LNIB are locked in the safe. Any guy on this Forum can see a refinish. Nobody is being fooled. We all know what they are suppose to look like. If you have to feed the refinish guys, please do. They deserve a living. Just my thoughts. Come back cruel if you want. If you got a **** that shoots you got a ****. Save your money.

Clearly the OP is not trying to fool anyone. He didn't have before photos of the other revolvers, but I can see why he sent the K22 in even though I generally won't consider refinishing guns these days myself. But that one I might have if I didn't have too much money in it and it was good mechanically.

One thing I was curious about besides how well they took care of the pitting was how the sideplate turned out. My peeve with refinished S&W's is when the sideplate edges are dished and rounded off. Look at most refinished guns and that is the case. One thing that has always been remarkable on Smiths is the sideplate fit, even on the bread and butter guns. I hate to see that messed up. It doesn't have to be that way, so I was curious to see how Ford's did. The other photos appears to show some rounding on the other guns and on the K22 it is significant. Of course a lot of metal had to be removed to get to the bottom of the pits.

I confess that I have had a grand total of one Smith refinished. Back in 1980 I bought a M53 in Alaska that looked like the previous owner had kept it in a toolbox with the rest of his tools. A little rough but it was cheap and I was always intrigued by the M53. I sent it to S&W right after I bought it and asked them to do what they could with the finish and fit a 22LR cylinder. The photo shows how it came back. Note the sideplates edges look about like any other production gun. So it is possible to do it right.

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It's funny, people talk about re-finishing a gun, and how it ruins the "Collectibility" of said gun.

I personally do not agree with that. Especially if someone like Fords or Hamilton Bowen does the refinish.

That Pinto gun for example. I would pay top dollar for that gun in a heartbeat, even with the refinish. I know they are only Factory original once, but saving a gun that needs saving is something I think is actually honorable. This generation of craftsmen honoring the previous generation of craftsmen has special merit.

I had this 1911 Refinished:



The Purists would have a heart attack.

But you know what? it had no finish on it, it just sat in my safe, and was unremarkable. Now, it has a nice set of Double Diamonds on it, it has a factory correct finish done by a top-notch 1911 shop up here by me. I think it looks great, and this old Stallion looks like it should. I'll put some rounds through it, and if it gets a little dirty and god forbid a scratch or two, that's all good too.
 
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WOW,
Great pics guys!!
It's amazing the transformation those guns went through.
I personally think there is nothing wrong with refinished firearms..( provided it is done correctly)
Thanks for all the pics
 
The adversion to refinishing and how it affects collectability is valid to the true collectors who seek the NIB, unfired, papers and tools examples. I get that and that's OK if that's the game you enjoy. And sometimes honest wear is cool too. I have a lot of older revolvers with good honest wear and I have no plans to refinish any of them. For me it's these good guns that suffered an unfortunate turn of events that left them cosmetically marred that I'll invest in the refinish if I can buy them right to start with. Clearly not trying to fool anyone and have no plans to sell any of them. I'm just one of those who think life it too short to own an ugly gun and besides these old classics deserve a better fate than to look like they did. I agree it honors the craftsmanship that the previous generations put forth to start with.

As I understand it the aversion to refinishing is more of a North America thing. Families in Europe have been sending their Purdeys and Holland & Hollands back to be "re-blackened" as needed for years. Some of those guns are kept in families for generations (and new examples can easily cost over $200,000) and refinishing is just considered proper care of the family assets.
 
As my "signature" reads on another forum; "LIFE IS TOO SHORT TO OWN AN UGLY GUN" :) ( with all due respect to serious collectors-I also own some I wouldn't touch) :)
 
When the lady of the house starts showing her age the first thing we hear from her is maybe a ''new look''. Fords can give that special gun a ''new look'' and a lot cheaper too.

lts time to visit Fords in Crystal River with my 4digit sn '47 K22 Birth Year Gun that fell from the sky in Jan
 
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