Changing Carry Gun - Paris etc.

[GatorFarmer]

I added a back up gun to my ankle. Shrug. It makes me feel better.

 

[jimmyj]

Old Cop: carried a "Wheel Gun" first 35 years. Then Agency began issuing "Bottom Feeders". Hard to admit but a "Bottom Feeder" with 12 rounds plus two addition 12 rounds magazines beat the "Wheel Gun" with 6 rounds plus 12 rounds in speed loader. In my limited experience there were several incidents that I wished I had something belt fed. I CCW a Glock and if something came out that held more rounds I would CCW that. (under fire I am NOT cool and calm with nerves of steel)

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[.455_Hunter]

Regardless of the news headlines, you biggest daily threat remains criminal events like mugging or stumbling into a convenience store robbery, and NOT an ISIS attack or active shooter.

However, being prepared is never a bad thing. The "3 shots, 3 yards, 3 seconds" type scenarios are great for most criminal encounters, but does not do much good against the more extreme events.

Whatever weapon you choose to carry, please make longer distance shooting (25 to 100 yd) a small part of your training regimen. It does not hurt anything, and having more skills in the event of an extreme event is not a bad thing.

The guy who can shoot his Model 10 and can quickly put hits on target at all realistic ranges is way ahead of the guy who totes a Glock 19 and NEVER moves his silhouette past the 7 yd marker.

 

[BAM-BAM]

If you can get hits at 15,20 or even 50............. my guess is you will be OK at 5-10yds

 

[goldbill]

I too carry a Big pistol in my truck,a Sig 553 with 4 ,30 rd. Mags.It carries in a black zipper case.My hip gun is a Taurus,45 cal.

 

[Yiogo]

I'm 67. I don't take to change well.

Besides, were I live, rabid coyotes are a concern.

No plans to change out my J frame but I may carry a speed loader; it depends where I go.

I know the J fits easily in my pocket and is more likely to go with me where carry is legal.

I am pretty good with my 1911 but it's just too heavy for EDC.

LOL. More importantly, my J is not likely to make my pants fall down.

I shoot often, though should shoot my revolver more.

Yiogo

 

[msmith65]

FWIW, my opinion is that having a large number of bullets at your disposal would be the most important factor in a Paris scenario.

The main purpose in firing back would be to interrupt the attack. Faced with shots coming from the crowd, the attackers would no longer be able to stand there turkey-shooting. Instead, they might have to take cover, or at least stop shooting while they tried to locate the interruptor. Either is good for buying time while others escape. And it also will likely result in the interruptor eventually being singled out and killed -- a noble sacrifice and certainly better than waiting your turn to get shot.

 

[Grayfox]

Believe it or not, it wasn't too long ago that I was thinking of going the other way. While I have made occasional side trips to revolvers and a 9mm, for the last 20+ years the gun I most often carried is my 1959 Colt Commander in .45acp.
With the fact that my Colt is now worth more than 4 times what I paid for it back then and I am getting older, I was considering retiring it for something smaller, lighter and easier to carry.
Then Chattanooga happened and now Paris. I have come to realize that these days there actually is a possibility of running into something worse than your average street thug.
I've decided to stick with what I know I can shoot well and hit what I aim at. The Colt stays.

 

[Yiogo]

I agree, Greyfox. Stick with what you shoot well and accurately.

I am a Bullseye shooter. I was struck by something a young man told me as I was leaving a public range.

He said Bullseye shooters concentrate on accuracy. True enough but shouldn't that be what all shooters strive for?

If one goes to a large cap semi then strive for accuracy with it too.

 

[CAJUNLAWYER]

First line of defense ain't the gun. It's avoidance. For instance STAY AWAY FROM CONVENIENCE STORES-that's where they meet. Nothing more than a mosque with gas pumps, package liquor and synthetic weed. Dead give away that it is a terrorist cell is the absence of pork products on the shelves
Next HAVE ENOUGH GUNS. You should be carrying at least three in three different calibres. .22 on the ankle, .380 in the pocket and .45 on the hip. Start with the .45 and work your way down to the .22. This should allow you to get to your transportation where you can get your modern sporting arm in either .223 or 7.62.
Practice practice practice. If you are not going to the range at least once a week and running through at least a couple of hundred rounds per weapon you're only fooling yourself.
We are in a war gentlemen and it is us against them. WE MUST BE PREPARED
Wait for the signal.

 

[Protected One]

Next, HAVE ENOUGH GUNS. You should be carrying at least three in three different calibres. .22 on the ankle, .380 in the pocket and .45 on the hip. Start with the .45 and work your way down to the .22. This should allow you to get to your transportation where you can get your modern sporting arm in either .223 or 7.62.
Practice practice practice. If you are not going to the range at least once a week and running through at least a couple of hundred rounds per weapon you're only fooling yourself.
We are in a war gentlemen and it is us against them. WE MUST BE PREPARED
Wait for the signal.

I'm tempted to ask if you're kidding, but I have strong feeling that you are not.

 

[tops]

If the .45 doesn't solve the problem why would you want to change too a .380? I only have a 3rd grade education but my thinking is if the results are not satisfactory I need to go bigger instead of smaller. If a .45 doesn't solve the problem I want a .50. Larry

 

[Lee in Quartzsite]

First line of defense ain't the gun. It's avoidance. For instance STAY AWAY FROM CONVENIENCE STORES-that's where they meet. Nothing more than a mosque with gas pumps, package liquor and synthetic weed. Dead give away that it is a terrorist cell is the absence of pork products on the shelves.

Wow, just gave me an idea for a backup....pockets full of Pork Sausages. Just toss a couple at an attacker and watch him run. Maybe they should pass out ham sandwiches at border checkpoints to weed out those who will do us harm......

 

[lrrifleman]

I think that the OP has a valid point here. While we are not looking to find ourselves in a battle, fate may in fact place us there at the least opportune moment.

I am not an alarmist, but a realist. I can only carry when I am traveling out of state with my non-resident CFP, since my home state has a policy paramount to treating criminals and other predators as members of endangered species.

Our society is making our communities predator rich environments, and no matter how much you try, there is no guarantee that you can avoid a dangerous encounter. My plan was to carry a J frame, but after Paris, my 439 is on deck, until my permit for the Commander comes in. Before anyone questions, I do have a fair degree of proficiency with all of the above.

My biggest concern, is protecting my children. Being a single parent, the likelihood is that they're going to be with me when it hits the fan. Having enough cover fire is fine, but ending the fight on a good note is paramount. I, personally, would be content with one or two well placed 45s versus a wall of 9s.

 

[Mister X]

In any active shooter/terrorist attack scenario, your best bet will almost always be to run and completely escape or at least get to cover. We could even talk about the viability of suppressive fire in certain scenarios, but it may very well define you as the immediate primary target and cause them to focus all their fire on you. I've seen several comments stating that a handgun is no match or totally ineffective against terrorists armed with AK's, but I think that's far from true. If you engage in an open area from 25-50 yards, then I'd say you are seriously outgunned, but it doesn't make any sense to do so no matter how you're armed. Run to escape/for cover and if they come to you and manage to find you, it will be close-quarters. Your handgun is not only viable, but it could actually be the more effective weapon depending on how close-quarters the specific scenario happens to be. At 0-5 feet indoors, we're essentially talking ambush and disarm and/or shooting them in the face. There's endless variables and irregardless, these events are still extremely rare and not what you're most likely to encounter as a civilian, so devote training time accordingly.

[ame]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p4KXNdyH_LY[/ame]

 

[Smoke]

First line of defense ain't the gun. It's avoidance. For instance STAY AWAY FROM CONVENIENCE STORES-that's where they meet. Nothing more than a mosque with gas pumps, package liquor and synthetic weed.

Around here it's real weed

 

[SpecRacer]

In any active shooter/terrorist attack scenario, your best bet will almost always be to run and completely escape or at least get to cover. We could even talk about the viability of suppressive fire in certain scenarios, but it may very well define you as the immediate primary target and cause them to focus all their fire on you. I've seen several comments stating that a handgun is no match or totally ineffective against terrorists armed with AK's, but I think that's far from true. If you engage in an open area from 25-50 yards, then I'd say you are seriously outgunned, but it doesn't make any sense to do so no matter how you're armed. Run to escape/for cover and if they come to you and manage to find you, it will be close-quarters. Your handgun is not only viable, but it could actually be the more effective weapon depending on how close-quarters the specific scenario happens to be. At 0-5 feet indoors, we're essentially talking ambush and disarm and/or shooting them in the face. There's endless variables and irregardless, these events are still extremely rare and not what you're most likely to encounter as a civilian, so devote training time accordingly.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p4KXNdyH_LY

Great advice!

Some of this thread got a bit overblown with armed and armored terrorists. My concern for some more ammo and perhaps more powerful calibers is because life HAS changed. There used to be just one perp in a 7-11. Now their are 3 and 4. Same thing for carjackings, home invasions, etc. And now, jihadists. My first principles of defense are, 1.avoid, 2. run, 3 hide.

As for active shooters. I like running. As far and fast as my kids and grand kids can go. Active shooters shoot at the convenient and nearby. If it is not possible to completely exit, then hide in a defensible, close range position where the element of surprise is in ones favor. Wait at the ready and keep your head in. I have long ago made peace with my self in coming to the conclusion that I have no duty to my unarmed and thus unprepared neighbor, who may be being gunned down by the active shooter, just to me and mine. My neighbor can wait for the police, who are sure to enter the assaulted property in an hour or two to save them (ie. Columbine, Sandy Hook, Virginia Tech, Paris theater etc.).

 

[Squarebutt]

I recently saw a 30-minute interview with Abdul Haji, a hero of the jihadist siege at the Westlake Mall in Nairobi, Kenya a few years ago. A gang of Al Qaeda types hit the place with Kalashnikovs, and slaughtered 67. He had gone there to find his brother, but got caught up in the trouble. He and a few others were armed with pistols. They didn't try to shoot it out, but they were able to hold the shooters at bay and rescue dozens of shoppers for several hours. They moved carefully and picked up policemen and medics along the way. They all made it out, including his brother. The lesson learned is to know your limits, use good tactics and watch out for one another. There are several videos where he talks about that day. They're easy to find if you Google his name

 

[rwsmith]

From pocket to waist......

....and all the way to a sling over the shoulder.


I've been beefing up my arsenal with guns that are intended to work, not 'fun guns'. Something that will be carried and kept handy around the house and car.

 

[rwsmith]

Well, I know that.....

A PS to my previous post. I was thinking that the Glock 42, .380, would have less recoil for my wife. However, I see the 9mm Shield is heavier than the Glock 42. Does anyone know how their recoil compares. Maybe I should be looking for a Shield for my wife also.

I do know that the Shield is a small pistol that feels substantial and comfortable and a joy to shoot. I have a cheaper, lighter gun that hammers you so hard it's difficult to practice with.