Changing Carry Gun - Paris etc.

[hangnoose]

DON'T CHANGE HORSES IN THE MIDDLE OF A STREAM.

In a real gun battle you will never feel you have enough gun, unless you can figure out a way to conceal a battle rifle, certainly not a Paris type event going against multiple rifle armed, trained & determined terrorists, That is simply a pipe dream or death wish. CC'ing a pistol you have never fired in a caliber you haven't fired in 10 years is another recipe for disaster. If you want to make a change, fine, get the experience and skills first.

 

[Muss Muggins]

I just ordered a Galco Tuck-N-Go for the 60-14 2" with CT Lasergrip, but I had it in my Amazon shopping cart before Friday. Something else I was looking for finally became available, so I sent the whole order. Had been thinking about carrying a revolver more often for a while, not due to terrorism or threats of mass destruction.

 

[Kifaru]

For more on an armed response to these types of terrorist attacks, check out activeresponsetraining.net. Greg Ellifritz has some thought provoking information. For example, many of these bombers have handlers so that if the bomber gets intercepted or gets cold feet, the handler can either detonate the bomb or deal with the obstacle (you). Also, if you engage the bomber with a handgun, you will most certainly be within the blast range of the bomb. I applaud your sacrifice, I just hope you were aware you were making a sacrifice in the first place. These are just a couple of the multitude of things to consider. Interesting times...

 

[petepeterson]

a rifle fight should be fought with a rifle. preferably a .30 cal. handguns are great but no match for a vested psycho.............

A factual statement, but not much use for everyday carry. A concealed handgun is better than nothing.

 

[BAM-BAM]

For the most part we think and train to fight the last war......

in the middle of SHTF (not of your choosing) you use your handgun to fight your way to a rifle..... yours of theirs........ or just to get out of Dodge..............

suicide bombers....deadman switches or remote detonation........

I doubt an active shooter can also have a deadman vest...hard to shoot and impossible to reload .......a handler/remote......... well if you are that deep in the s......all you can do is shoot move and pray

 

[HereSinceTheLongHunters]

A PS to my previous post. I was thinking that the Glock 42, .380, would have less recoil for my wife. However, I see the 9mm Shield is heavier than the Glock 42. Does anyone know how their recoil compares. Maybe I should be looking for a Shield for my wife also.

Pick a gun for a woman and she'll accept it, but let her pick her own... and it's more like a date!

 

[SpecRacer]

In a real gun battle you will never feel you have enough gun, unless you can figure out a way to conceal a battle rifle, certainly not a Paris type event going against multiple rifle armed, trained & determined terrorists, That is simply a pipe dream or death wish. CC'ing a pistol you have never fired in a caliber you haven't fired in 10 years is another recipe for disaster. If you want to make a change, fine, get the experience and skills first.

Where do you very few of you guys get the idea that someone would just suddenly switch firearms?

Secondly, where do some of you get the idea that I intend to "face off" with guys with rifles and bombs?

Lastly, how the hell do you shoot any guns of any caliber if you have never fired it before because that would be a recipe for disaster. This logic is incredible. If you have never fired a gun in a certain caliber, then you should never fire one. ?????? Looney.

I haven't posted on any forum in a while. Now I remember why. There are a whole bunch of folks who reply to questions with comments that have nothing to do with the questions and then there are the "know it alls" who's imagination runs rampant both with the question and with their answer.

My favorite post is "I don't have one of those, but".

 

[SpecRacer]

For more on an armed response to these types of terrorist attacks, check out activeresponsetraining.net. Greg Ellifritz has some thought provoking information. For example, many of these bombers have handlers so that if the bomber gets intercepted or gets cold feet, the handler can either detonate the bomb or deal with the obstacle (you). Also, if you engage the bomber with a handgun, you will most certainly be within the blast range of the bomb. I applaud your sacrifice, I just hope you were aware you were making a sacrifice in the first place. These are just a couple of the multitude of things to consider. Interesting times...

How in heavens name did you come up with the assumption that I was going to engage a bomber with ANY firearm? It is an inconceivable flight of fantacy!

 

[Muss Muggins]

How in heavens name did you come up with the assumption that I was going to engage a bomber with ANY firearm? It is an inconceivable flight of fantacy!

The problem with engaging a bomber with a handgun is that you don't really know who the bomber is until that big flash and bang . . . Silly analysis.

 

[Muss Muggins]

Where do you very few of you guys get the idea that someone would just suddenly switch firearms?

Secondly, where do some of you get the idea that I intend to "face off" with guys with rifles and bombs?

Lastly, how the hell do you shoot any guns of any caliber if you have never fired it before because that would be a recipe for disaster. This logic is incredible. If you have never fired a gun in a certain caliber, then you should never fire one. ?????? Looney.

I haven't posted on any forum in a while. Now I remember why. There are a whole bunch of folks who reply to questions with comments that have nothing to do with the questions and then there are the "know it alls" who's imagination runs rampant both with the question and with their answer.

My favorite post is "I don't have one of those, but".

I'm going to address only one of your points. I am fully confident that I can pick up any standard firearm on the planet and engage it effectively in a response to an attack on my person, and most people with a working knowledge of firearms in general can do the same. May not be driving tacks, but can certainly make the rest of the aggressors rethink their position about attacking me and mine.

 

[DevilDog72]

As with many on here the news is.... dismal at best. I have toyed with the idea of rotating my Commander back on my hip....for now though I have just started carrying my 642 along with my 19 snub.

I think if caught up in a multi shooter/terrorist event the weapon I have is to fight my way clear. They will attack without warning and they will relish the advent of their death, but, not before killing as many of us as they can. When the jerks were confronted by armed police they take their own lives.... gives me pause.... I think they would really not like to face armed resistance, however, I would not bet my life on that.

Against just such an advisory there is no real defense.... unless you have warning and can plan your reception and choose the right weapon(s).

All that said I cannot nor will I let these dirtbags make me really change what I do, think or plan.

I have rambled enough for one night.

 

[Kanewpadle]

I got it covered.

Did I change anything? No.

Seriously, I can understand the increase in capacity or spare ammo. But as pointed out in previous posts, engaging a terrorist is foolish. If you intend to fight your way to freedom then yes, at least have a gun.

More importantly, situational awareness and avoiding places where people mass is a good start. The holidays should be interesting.

 

[Rick_A]

When I'm expecting trouble I bring the big pistol.
20140528_200142_LLS by Slick_Rick77, on Flickr

Not really.

That's what I take when I'm walking to the range and don't want folks freaking out.

No need to get carried away.

 

[Smoke]

A PS to my previous post. I was thinking that the Glock 42, .380, would have less recoil for my wife. However, I see the 9mm Shield is heavier than the Glock 42. Does anyone know how their recoil compares. Maybe I should be looking for a Shield for my wife also.

Someone's gonna say it so it might as well be me.

Take your wife to the gun store and let her decide which gun is right for her

 

[hangnoose]

"WHERE DID WE GET THE IDEA..." POST #1

How about from YOUR very first post spec, when you mentioned ISIS a terrorist group known for using the tactics "US EXPERTS" spoke of. Then you go on to speak of using your shorty that you have never fired, then go on to say you haven't fired a 45 in 10 years, and are afraid to carry in condition 1, THAT'S WHERE.
"How long would it take you to learn?" That depends, but judging by your attitude, too long.

 

[2Paps]

I already have a S&W Shorty .45, which I have never fired, that I could use. Or, I am thinking about an M&P Shield in 9mm. I like the idea of a .45, but I am now 70 years old and think the recoil may be a bit much (I haven't fired any .45 in 10 years). And, I also like the extra ammo of the Shield. Then there is also the M&P 9mm Compact, but I think it may be to large for IWB. Oh, and I guess I could buy 4 Shield's for the value of the Shorty. LOL. A Shield for every member of the Family.

I would appreciate your thoughts. Thanks.

I'm 71 and recently got back into .45 shooting. A good deal on a Para P14 was the impetus that made me make the leap. I bought the P14 as a house / range gun but have started carrying it rather than the Shield. I too am in FL so I'm familiar with the dress / concealment issues.

The point is don't rule out the .45 until you shoot it.

 

[Smoke]

I got it covered.

Did I change anything? No.

Seriously, I can understand the increase in capacity or spare ammo. But as pointed out in previous posts, engaging a terrorist is foolish. If you intend to fight your way to freedom then yes, at least have a gun.

More importantly, situational awareness and avoiding places where people mass is a good start. The holidays should be interesting.

Yeah, I think I'm good too

 

[Smoke]

How about from YOUR very first post spec, when you mentioned ISIS a well known terrorist group known for using the tactics "US EXPERTS" spoke of. Then you go on to speak of using your shorty, your pistol I assume, that you have never fired, then go on to say you haven't fired a 45 in 10 years, THAT'S WHERE.

This is not going to end well

 

[ditrina]

This is not going to end well

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Your right..

 

[Muss Muggins]

Seems kinda mean . . .

How about from YOUR very first post spec, when you mentioned ISIS a terrorist group known for using the tactics "US EXPERTS" spoke of. Then you go on to speak of using your shorty that you have never fired, then go on to say you haven't fired a 45 in 10 years, and are afraid to carry in condition 1, THAT'S WHERE.
"How long would it take you to learn?" That depends, but judging by your attitude, too long.