UPDATE - Police Take Down Incident on I75 Near Cincinnati

[Dennis The B]

Yesterday my wife and I traveled from Louisville back to our home in Michigan. We almost always go north on I71, merge with I75, and then take take that route to near our home.

Around 1:30PM, we had just started to clear the urban traffic on I75, and getting past the ongoing construction in the area. At the Sharonville/Glendale exit (15), traffic was backed up for almost 1/2 mile northbound. It came to a complete halt several times, but usually picked up again. We got just past the GE plant in the left lane, and saw a large number of police cars completely blocking southbound I75 around the entrance ramp. As we neared the police cars, there were several police officers and sheriff's deputies with drawn weapons, aiming them at a man in the right lane of traffic. I got close enough to see he was armed, and I could hear the officers yelling for him to drop the weapon and get on the ground. When we pulled abreast, the man still had not complied, and I was getting antsy around all those weapons and not having an exit in case things went south.

We finally got passed the scene, and we later found out the man had been shot by a Hamilton County deputy sheriff, but the man still had not laid down. Here's a link to the Cincinnati Enquirer on the story:
Police: Man shot on I-75 fugitive wanted in fatal stabbing

PS - I did pull my S&W Shield .40 S&W, just in case... You never know.

Here's an update with the video, courtesy of "RAISEDIN99" -

Josh Hilling, Javier Pablo Aleman video: No charges for officer who shot knife-wielding man on I-75 - Story

 

[Watchdog]

Yesterday my wife and I traveled from Louisville back to our home in Michigan. We almost always go north on I71, merge with I75, and then take take that route to near our home.

First time I ever drove up to Michigan through Ohio on I-75, I coulda used something like a bunch of cop cars with lights flashing just to break the monotony. Wouldn't have mattered to me what side of the road they'd been on. I kept thinking, jeez, how can this road be so flat and not have any curves and hills and will I ever get to Michigan?

This doesn't have a thing to do with your thread, of course, but just seeing "I-75" brought back the memories.

 

[rburg]

Actually, the guy did eventually lie down after he was shot. I too was caught in the middle of the mess. We were on the crossing road, Sharon.

If there is one thing the police and fire units in this area are really poor at its clearing up traffic jams. They are single minded in their mission and just don't seem to care they've created a massive traffic jam with no way out for the real victims, the motoring public. You can probably make the point that officer safety is important, but that excuse tends to evaporate after hours of no movement and the "threat" has long since been transported to the hospital and is safely gotten out of surgery. Maybe they believe the guys ghost will materialize, who knows.

Look, the bad guy got himself shot for his sins. They took him away. No real reason to punish the folks except to exercise their authority to the fullest.

Maybe the best part was the never ending press conference with the sheriffs deputy in charge commenting on the "hard working deputies", being clearly seen in the background standing around and doing nothing except pocket pool. Well, you might add on overtime.

And one correction to the OPs post. The shooter wasn't a Hamilton County sheriff's deputy. It was a Glendale officer. The sheriff took over the investigation. I guess to make it all look proper. The chief of Glendale did say in his 21 years it was the only time one of his officers had discharged his gun. If you're ever in the area, take the Sharon Road exit and about a mile west is a nice little restaurant called the "Grand Finale". They make great cheesecake, much better than the Cheesecake Factory."

 

[Ron AZ]

If you're ever in the area, take the Sharon Road exit and about a mile west is a nice little restaurant called the "Grand Finale". They make great cheesecake, much better than the Cheesecake Factory."

And the Grand Finale has/had (many years since I've lived there) a white chocolate mouse over raspberries that was to die for and a fantastic and very popular Sunday brunch!

 

[LVSteve]

If there is one thing the police and fire units in this area are really poor at its clearing up traffic jams. They are single minded in their mission and just don't seem to care they've created a massive traffic jam with no way out for the real victims, the motoring public. You can probably make the point that officer safety is important, but that excuse tends to evaporate after hours of no movement and the "threat" has long since been transported to the hospital and is safely gotten out of surgery. Maybe they believe the guys ghost will materialize, who knows.

The phrase "preservation of the scene" springs to mind. I don't know what the law is in Michigan, but in many jurisdictions in the US and worldwide any police shooting has to be investigated by the local version of Internal Affairs or some local oversight body.

 

[chud333]

Does Michigan and Ohio have reciprocity on handguns?
I am in Indiana and used to never carry to Ohio.

Chuck

 

[alwslate]

Does Michigan and Ohio have reciprocity on handguns?
I am in Indiana and used to never carry to Ohio.

Chuck

I'm pretty sure Ohio does now and I think Michigan does also
but I'm less sure about Michigan. It hasn't been very long
ago that Ohio finally got CC permits for their own residents.
I used to go to gun shows in Ohio but I haven't for several
years now. The Ohio Gun Collector's Association shows in
Columbus were fantastic but they moved the show up to the
Cleveland area, too far for me to drive. I really liked the Bill
Goodman shows in Dayton and used to go to them often.
I drove over on I70 and could drive all the way to the state
line without even seeing a Trooper car but within just a few
miles into Ohio I would start seeing speed traps. Almost
funny how all the traffic on 70 would just start slowing down
after crossing the state line into Ohio....almost funny but
not quite.

 

[Onomea]

A white chocolate mouse over raspberries?!

 

[johngalt]

Actually, the guy did eventually lie down after he was shot. I too was caught in the middle of the mess. We were on the crossing road, Sharon.

If there is one thing the police and fire units in this area are really poor at its clearing up traffic jams. They are single minded in their mission and just don't seem to care they've created a massive traffic jam with no way out for the real victims, the motoring public. You can probably make the point that officer safety is important, but that excuse tends to evaporate after hours of no movement and the "threat" has long since been transported to the hospital and is safely gotten out of surgery. Maybe they believe the guys ghost will materialize, who knows.

Look, the bad guy got himself shot for his sins. They took him away. No real reason to punish the folks except to exercise their authority to the fullest.

Maybe the best part was the never ending press conference with the sheriffs deputy in charge commenting on the "hard working deputies", being clearly seen in the background standing around and doing nothing except pocket pool. Well, you might add on overtime.

And one correction to the OPs post. The shooter wasn't a Hamilton County sheriff's deputy. It was a Glendale officer. The sheriff took over the investigation. I guess to make it all look proper. The chief of Glendale did say in his 21 years it was the only time one of his officers had discharged his gun. If you're ever in the area, take the Sharon Road exit and about a mile west is a nice little restaurant called the "Grand Finale". They make great cheesecake, much better than the Cheesecake Factory."

I used to live close to that area. I'll second the recommendation for the Grand Finale, but I like their caramel custard.

 

[johngalt]

Does Michigan and Ohio have reciprocity on handguns?
I am in Indiana and used to never carry to Ohio.

Chuck

When I lived there a couple years ago, Ohio did not honor Indiana permits. Ohio only honors states that have similar training requirements. Since Indiana doesn't have any, they're out.

 

[Rustyt1953]

Ruthie and I love Grand Finale and always take visitors there.

 

[the ringo kid]

Thats the best thing ive read in this thread cept for the perp getting hisself shot.

 

[Dennis The B]

...
And one correction to the OPs post. The shooter wasn't a Hamilton County sheriff's deputy. It was a Glendale officer. The sheriff took over the investigation. I guess to make it all look proper. The chief of Glendale did say in his 21 years it was the only time one of his officers had discharged his gun. If you're ever in the area, take the Sharon Road exit and about a mile west is a nice little restaurant called the "Grand Finale". They make great cheesecake, much better than the Cheesecake Factory."

Thanks for the correction. As we passed, we tuned in to WLW-700, and their news folks said the officer/shooter was a deputy sheriff.

 

[rburg]

As we passed, we tuned in to WLW-700, and their news folks said the officer/shooter was a deputy sheriff.

Just a hint for the future... Don't believe anything you hear on the local news. More often than not, they're wrong. A fun game to play around here is to listen to the competing broadcasts and pick out the conflicts of facts you hear. The truth might be somewhere in the middle. Or not.

 

[Zipdog]

I'm pretty sure Ohio does now and I think Michigan does also
but I'm less sure about Michigan. It hasn't been very long
ago that Ohio finally got CC permits for their own residents.
I used to go to gun shows in Ohio but I haven't for several
years now. The Ohio Gun Collector's Association shows in
Columbus were fantastic but they moved the show up to the
Cleveland area, too far for me to drive. I really liked the Bill
Goodman shows in Dayton and used to go to them often.
I drove over on I70 and could drive all the way to the state
line without even seeing a Trooper car but within just a few
miles into Ohio I would start seeing speed traps. Almost
funny how all the traffic on 70 would just start slowing down
after crossing the state line into Ohio....almost funny but
not quite.

The Ohio Gun Collectors Association Shows are now held in Wilmington Ohio at I-71 and State Route 68. Still a really good show to attend. Members only or their invited guests. Might save someone a trip.

 

[HOUSTON RICK]

I grew up two exits south of there (Wyoming Galbraith Road). Few guns are discharged in Glendale. It is more known for its manor houses and Giant Painted Squirrels. Grand Finale restaurant is good for desserts (their specialty as in the name), but their food is average on a good day. Better restaurants along I-275. I am sure that there are many fine police officers in Hamilton County who make us all safe, but the area has more than its share of Barnet Fife's who exclusively shake down out of towners in numerous municipal speed traps. Be careful if you ever leave the interstate. Speed limits drop precipitously with little warning or purpose other than revenue enhancement in most of the small towns in the area.

 

[johngalt]

I grew up two exits south of there (Wyoming Galbraith Road). Few guns are discharged in Glendale. It is more known for its manor houses and Giant Painted Squirrels. Grand Finale restaurant is good for desserts (their specialty as in the name), but their food is average on a good day. Better restaurants along I-275. I am sure that there are many fine police officers in Hamilton County who make us all safe, but the area has more than its share of Barnet Fife's who exclusively shake down out of towners in numerous municipal speed traps. Be careful if you ever leave the interstate. Speed limits drop precipitously with little warning or purpose other than revenue enhancement in most of the small towns in the area.

Glendale is rather aggressive about enforcing their speed limits, especially on Sharon Rd at the bottom of the hill at the train tracks. However, I never noticed that many towns were setting up speed traps. I've heard those stories about towns near Cleveland, but not Cincinnati. I never had many encounters with the police there, but compared to everyplace I've lived, police in SW Ohio were the most professional, polite, and respectful of any.

 

[Doug M.]

A situation like this likely means a scene that takes 10 hours or more to process. I always hate getting stuck in stuff like that, but there is no real option. There is a good argument that the N/B side should have been shut down a mile back until the offender was controlled, too. The risk of an errant round from someone hitting an uninvolved citizen is modest, but the repercussions staggering.

I am also very concerned about the dithering about. If he is actually holding the weapon, pointed or not, he can get off an aimed shot before the cops can react. He MAYBE should have gotten a warning (command), and then he should have been dumped. That situation as described is completely unacceptable from an officer safety perspective.

 

[johngalt]

A situation like this likely means a scene that takes 10 hours or more to process. I always hate getting stuck in stuff like that, but there is no real option. There is a good argument that the N/B side should have been shut down a mile back until the offender was controlled, too. The risk of an errant round from someone hitting an uninvolved citizen is modest, but the repercussions staggering.

I am also very concerned about the dithering about. If he is actually holding the weapon, pointed or not, he can get off an aimed shot before the cops can react. He MAYBE should have gotten a warning (command), and then he should have been dumped. That situation as described is completely unacceptable from an officer safety perspective.

Part of the problem with the dithering may be due to 'political' problems the Cincinnati police got into a number of years ago. One officer engaged in a foot pursuit of an individual, cornered him, who turned and threatened him and got himself shot by said officer. The shoot was ruled good, riots ensued, etc. The officer involved made a lateral change to one of the burbs. They may still be a little gunshy.

 

[Ron AZ]

A white chocolate mouse over raspberries?!

Onomea, I stand corrected. Mousse! I find that I make a lot more errors in online forums than I ever do in work memos. Sometimes it is the spell checker inappropriately changing what I intended. But this one wasn't.