I think I cited one that the Supreme Court put forward. Also, have you heard of the Fairness Doctrine? I know it's a Wikipedia link, but it's pretty accurate . . .
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I think I cited one that the Supreme Court put forward. Also, have you heard of the Fairness Doctrine? I know it's a Wikipedia link, but it's pretty accurate . . .
Fairness Doctrine - Wikipedia
I'm speaking of freedom of the press and restriction theron. Not freedom of speech. I don't believe any politician has proposed any restrictions on the press. That was my point, not anything about freedom of speech.
In all the clamoring for more restrictions on the Second Amendment I don't think I have seen the "Fairness Doctrine" FAIRLY employed by the media.
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Looks like a small sledge hammer on the floor to the right of the purple pillarUsed Surefire quad mags. Left side of the purple pillar and in the rifle
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Probably used to break out the windows.
I have never seen a "Bump Stock" how do they work? I've got nothing to use one on and can't afford the excess ammo anyway.
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I consider bump fire devices a waste of ammo and a great way to discover if your cheap AR/AK will look good blown up on Youtube. Fun if you're into that kind of thing. We have also seen they can be devastating in the hands of a bad actor.
All that said I'm from the UK, so I know that when it comes to guns, don't let the legislators get a foot in the door.
All that said I'm from the UK, so I know that when it comes to guns, don't let the legislators get a foot in the door.
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The stock and grip are one piece. The rifle sits in that "stock" and up against a spring. When the rifle is fired it slide back inside the stock and the spring pushes it back out. Your finger is still in the same position so the trigger is tripped and another shot is fired repeating the action
Here's a good simple video
See how 'bump stocks' made semi-automatic weapons more like machine guns in the Las Vegas shooting - LA Times
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It DOES NOT turn a semi into a full auto, the trigger HAS to pulled for every shot.
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Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't the design of the slide fire stock 'force' the finger into the trigger upon recoil As opposed to having to physically 'squeeze' the trigger to fire it? I do not own one nor have used one so I do not know but it seems the design of the stock negates the need to 'squeeze' the trigger.
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Definitely. I thought the same thing when they mentioned tripods (but maybe they were actually bi-pods and the media just doesn't know the difference...?).
The last I've read was that he had 23 or so guns in the room, 12 with bump-fire stocks. Nothing I've read has mentioned which weapons were actually used, and that would have been immediately obvious.
One article I saw said that some weapons were "converted". It wasn't clear whether they meant converted to full-auto, or if they meant that bump-fire stocks were installed (you can never really tell what they actually mean when the media is so thoroughly clueless about guns). Very few details have been released...
My error. I stand corrected.full auto weapons can still be purchased if they were manufactured before 1986. New ones since that date are restricted to Class III FFLs and law enforcement. I apologize for the error.
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No biggie.
It's quite common for guys at our club who have been around firearms all their life to have no idea about class III stuff. I'm regularly asked how I got a suppressor because they think they're illegal. Or they think the Feds can simply barge into my home whenever they want without a warrant simply because of owning class III... on and on. Myth and misunderstanding about this subject is rife among otherwise well informed gun owners.
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My guess is that he probably does realize that.
But... I believe some gun owners suffer the misguided notion that surrendering 2A freedoms somehow preserves 2A freedoms. In other words, if they don't surrender 2A freedoms under the guise of 'common sense' they risk greater loss. Of course history has demonstrated that the 'common sense' anti-gun crowd has an insatiable thirst for taking your 2A freedoms away. Still, it seems fashionable among some gun owners to run to the surrender button in a hopeless effort to placate gun-grabbers. Shortly after Sandy Hook many gun owners were quick to surrender to universal background checks. Just hours after Vegas and now we see gun owners quickly willing to surrender bump fire mechanisms or magazines with capacity of xx.
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Nope, actually pushing forward with the support hand is actually what increases the rate of fire with a bump stock. The rifle recoils to the rear letting the trigger reset, pushing the rifle forward facilitates a rhythm pulling of the trigger. The same thing can be done with a standard stock with practice. Bump stock will not get that rhythm without pushing the forend forward.
No matter how I explain it, a semi auto is a semi auto, and not capable of firing more than one round per trigger pull. It is just a very fast mag dump is all it is. In fact high rates of fire can be accomplished with revolvers. Jerry shooting 12 rounds in under 3 seconds. That is an effective fire rate at over 240 rounds per minute.
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Should we also outlaw the single action revolver?
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How about lever actions?
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I knew someone would get pedantic about that which is why assault rifles was in quotes.
The meaning of words change over time. For example "gay" no longer means lighthearted and fun, when was the last time you heard it used that way?
For most of the US public "assault rifle" means a semiauto rifle with a detachable magazine that looks like a true military assault rifle. When someone describes an AR-15 as an assault rifle I know what they mean, you know what they mean, everyone knows what they mean. So that is what it means. Some obsolete definition in a 50+ year old book somewhere is irrelevant.
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If these devices are all the US gun community loses out of this, we should count ourselves lucky.
This time . . .
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I know this won't be a popular question, but what are the various rapid-fire devices like Bumpstock good for, except burning through ammo?
If anyone can describe a real purpose for them, I'd like to hear it. As Wee Hooker said, we'll be lucky if they are the only thing we lose because of this crazy guy, and his sick act.
If anyone can describe a real purpose for them, I'd like to hear it. As Wee Hooker said, we'll be lucky if they are the only thing we lose because of this crazy guy, and his sick act.
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Riddle me this........
Would the banning or regulation of an object make a madman less mad?
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Would the banning or regulation of an object make a madman less mad?
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