It's the 2% that worry me.

[Ziggy2525]

I see such statements made on a regular basis but I wonder if those who make such assertions have statistics to provide the foundation.

Just because something is accepted as a truism on the internet does not make it true simply by repeating it.

It may be true...but I haven't qualified alongside the majority of LEOs in this country and would find it hard to generalize on a national level despite many years qualifying with other LEOs from the early 80's to the 2000's in multiple cities and states in the U.S .

Personally, I don't take anyone's skill level with a firearm for granted, (good or bad).

I've posted this before (different thread), so apologies if it's a repeat for you. This is my anecdotal take on it.

I was in a social group for quite a few years that had a bunch of LEO's. They rode motorcycles. They went to the gym. They ran. They were into playing recreational sports (fast pitch softball, flag football) and coaching kids sports. Not sure if they qualified quarterly or semi-annually, but maybe they shot 1,000 rounds a year. They were no more "gun guys" than they were "flashlight guys" or "baton guys." Their service pistol was just another tool.

Between practice and matches, what's an amateur competitive shooter shoot? 5,000 rounds a year? 10,000 rounds a year?

 

[Smoke]

I pointed it out to a supervisor.

To make it clear. I'm an supervisor at the store. I felt it was necessary and within my right to remind the guy of the posted sign that he failed to miss.

Perhaps you can clarify?

 

[TomkinsSP]

98% of all statistics are just made up.

Yeah, I was wondering where that "85 percent of all people are above average" came from.

 

[Bamabred]

Whoa. Tough room.

 

[RGVshooter]

Perhaps you can clarify?

That's easy. Each department has it's own supervisor. The display that was blocking the sign at the entrance was the produce manager's responsibility. I'm a "front end" supervisor. Different department.

 

[Wise_A]

RAWR! Everyone who has less training and experience than I do doesn't deserve to have the same rights and privileges that I enjoy! RAWR!

You either believe in universal gun rights, or you don't. And surprise-surprise, the problem with something being universal is that pobody's nerfect.

 

[nachogrande]

TAKE A BREAK FROM YOUR AEROBICS CLASSES

Seems like mandatory training to carry a gun is a day late and a dollar short. Why not require it to even purchase or possess a firearm? I mean that would solve the problem and it's only a small infringement on our right to keep and bear arms right? By the way I'm being sarcastic but is my suggestion much of a stretch from what you'd like to see?

UNKNOT your short shorts & show me where I said anything about ANYTHING SHOULD BE REQUIRED or MANDATORY? Voluntary training/education a good idea? YES. Making it more affordable, even better. CC is far different from simple ownership, IMO. ALL I had to do was pay the $ & fill out paperwork.

 

[TomkinsSP]

Second says "Keep" (own), it also says "Bear" (carry), oh, and "Not be infringed" (restricted).

 

[Cal44]

In my opinion 98% of those who are licensed to carry are very responsible & knowledgeable gun owners. A good percentage of those, especially the ones I know are by far better shots than most LEO's.

Did you know that 67% of all statistics are made up on the spot?

 

[RGVshooter]

Did you know that 67% of all statistics are made up on the spot?

And what does that have to do with this topic? When I say "98%", that is my way of saying most people.

 

[Walkingwolf]

That's easy. Each department has it's own supervisor. The display that was blocking the sign at the entrance was the produce manager's responsibility. I'm a "front end" supervisor. Different department.

Let me see, the sign was blocked, and you are putting the blame other than the produce manager?

I agree that the gun should not leave the holster, but lack of responsibility of management to adequately notify is on the supervisors. Of course it is probably only 2% of supervisors that give the rest of them a bad name.

Did you apologize to the carrier for management misleading him?

 

[RGVshooter]

Let me see, the sign was blocked, and you are putting the blame other than the produce manager?

Again, what does that have to do with this topic?

 

[Walkingwolf]

Again, what does that have to do with this topic?

It has everything to do with it. It was not the carrier's fault the sign was hidden. I find it reprehensible to hide a sign, whether intentional or not. Had the person been injured as the case in NOLA at a whole foods where a police officer attacked a carrier it would have cost thousands of dollars. The settlement was never made public, but as I understand it was over 10 grand. All because of a blocked sign.

 

[nachogrande]

I HATE TO BREAK IT TO YOU.

Second says "Keep" (own), it also says "Bear" (carry), oh, and "Not be infringed" (restricted).

That horse named infringed not only left the barn, he has long since died of old age. The EXACT % of made up statistics was 72.65

 

[Richard Simmons]

UNKNOT your short shorts & show me where I said anything about ANYTHING SHOULD BE REQUIRED or MANDATORY? Voluntary training/education a good idea? YES. Making it more affordable, even better. CC is far different from simple ownership, IMO. ALL I had to do was pay the $ & fill out paperwork.

You were obviously lamenting the current lack of training were you not? You commented that hunter safety is required to hunt but no requirement for a CCL. Sure sounds to me like you think it should be a requirement and being mandatory and or required is the same thing. Maybe I can work on those knots in my shorts while you work on reading what you write?

 

[TomkinsSP]

Second has nothing to do with hunting. If the government wants to infringe on hunting or driving rights/privledges it may be a legal, but is not a constitutional issue.

SCOTUS is like the Pope, infallible, until the new one reverses course and issues a contrary ruling.

 

[Telecaster]

How does the meme go? "There are a hundred million law-abiding gun owners in the United States - if we were a problem, you'd know it."

I worry about the 2% of people who are violent criminals, instead.

 

[Chubbo]

Point Missed

First of all, Why should citizens of the USA, be required to buy a permit to do what the 2nd amendment supposedly guaranties you the right to do? Revenue? Second, the easiest way to get a person, to want to do something, is to tell them that they shouldn't or can't do it. Most people will, at any cost, set out to do that very thing, legally or illegally. Good sales pitch? What is at the root of all great schemes? MONEY? Why make available a unwanted, unnessary, usless, unneeded, permit? MONEY? 'Nuff Said.

Chubbo

 

[RGVshooter]

First of all, Why should citizens of the USA, be required to buy a permit to do what the 2nd amendment supposedly guaranties you the right to do? Revenue? Second, the easiest way to get a person, to want to do something, is to tell them that they shouldn't or can't do it. Most people will, at any cost, set out to do that very thing, legally or illegally. Good sales pitch? What is at the root of all great schemes? MONEY? Why make available a unwanted, unnessary, usless, unneeded, permit? MONEY? 'Nuff Said.

Chubbo

That would be a discussion on a different thread. But I'll remind you that discussion has beaten a dead horse more than enough on this forum.

 

[Chubbo]

Purpose?

That would be a discussion on a different thread. But I'll remind you that discussion has beaten a dead horse more than enough on this forum.

If that be the case, what is the purpose of these threads? Who should decide what topic is viable, and until an agreement has been made, that the dead horse has been beaten enough?