Rash of .40 cal trade-ins

I like 40 and own 2 of them. I also like 9mm and own 2 of them. The NYPD,LAPD, US Military and countries the world over have trusted the 9MM. 40S&W has mostly been an american law enforcement cartridge and if performs well, but nobody should be bashing the 9mm imo.
 
I've owned several 40 cal pistols and even used them on occasion in IDPA & USPSA matches. I consider myself to be a proficient shooter with over 30 yrs experience shooting handguns. Although I still believe 40 cal is the better all around duty caliber as far as barrier penetration, I can shoot 9mm faster & more accurately than 40. It showed with my hit ratio/times in USPSA. If the difference is consistently noticeable during a match, imagine what the difference would be under extreme stress of a life or death moment? It can cost you dearly.

I used to poke fun at people that would carry a .32 acp or even a .25. But if they can hit the bullseye consistently & faster at 7 yards than me with a 40 or 9mm, then god bless them.
 
Monkey see, monkey do.

I never did like following trends just for the sake of being fashionable, hence I never jumped onto the 40 S&W band wagon, so there is no need for me to jump off now. I will buy a 40 S&W pistol now if I see one float buy at what I think is a good price.
 
Police departments buy new guns about every ten years or so. As an example my former department recently traded in their Sig P226s in .40 for new P229s in...40! They are happy with the caliber, FBI report not withstanding. i'm suggesting there are many cases where trade ins are replaced with the same caliber. Has anyone seen industry production figures for ammo sales?
 
I'm sorry, but I've said it before and I'll say it again right here... The existence of freak occurrences in which all major handgun cartridges have failed to immediately stop an attacker does not mean that all handgun cartridges are equal, it merely goes to illustrate the importance of shot-placement in a self-defense scenario.

Anyone who understands basic physics will tell you that a bigger, heavier projectile has greater momentum and therefore greater force, ergo a bigger, heavier bullet will hit harder, penetrate deeper, smash through bones more easily, and leave behind a larger wound cavity, especially so with Jacketed Hallow Point bullets. All of those factors combined mean that a person who is shot by a bigger, heavier bullet is going to take more damage and likely experience a greater amount of pain, thus increasing the odds of either incapacitation or a psychological stop from non-vital hits to the target.

You'll read a lot of articles online of freak occurrences in which an attacker took several bullets and kept on coming, but few of these articles detail just how long the attacker remained mobile afterwards, and there lies the clincher. Yes, shot-placement is key, and no one should ever rely heavily on uncertainties like eventual incapacitation due to blood loss or a psychological stop, but that doesn't prevent such things from being factors, and personally I would prefer a bigger, heavier bullet like .40 S&W or .45 ACP which in the unfortunate event that I fail to score a vital hit, will likely improve the odds of stopping the attacker sooner via incapacitation or convincing them to retreat.

In closing, if you feel most comfortable/confident carrying a 9mm, then more power to you, nobody is saying that the 9mm is ineffective, in fact I myself regularly carry .380 ACP, but don't go believing or spreading this nonsensical assertion that 9mm is equal to heavier cartridges because it simply isn't true.
Statistics can be very misleading and are often backed by information which hasn't been compiled in equal measure. For example, did you know that based on statistics, .22LR has stopped more attackers than any other cartridge? It's true, look it up. But how can the .22LR possibly have a statistically higher volume of stopping attacks than any other cartridge? Simple, because more people own a .22 caliber firearm than any other cartridge, the .22LR has very little recoil which makes it very easy to stay on target, pull off quick follow-up shots, and these statistics don't take into account how many times each cartridge has failed to stop an attacker, ergo the results are hopelessly skewed and beget misleading results due to an uneven sample size. By the way, this is also true of most statistics, hence why many folks take statistics with a grain of salt.
 
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Departments follow trends. Ok. Lots of nicely priced 40s out there. For a civilian, at least one with a Glock, it would seem more cost effective to buy a 9mm barrel for your 40 than to sell a 40 and buy a 9. Then you have both.

Then buy the .22 conversion kit as well. They are lots of fun.
 
I eschew the .40 for one reason and one reason only. COST. As far as the 9 being less powerful-simple solution. Shoot twice.
I've owned firearms for close to 50 years and with the exception of shooting my little brother with the BB gun way back when , I have not yet had the opportunity to shoot anyone else so I can't comment of whether or not my 9 will do the job. If I ever do shoot someone, I'll be sure to post the results.
Maybe Sig220.45 will chime in. As retired FBI I'm sure he's shot lots of people over his career.
 
I eschew the .40 for one reason and one reason only. COST. As far as the 9 being less powerful-simple solution. Shoot twice.
I've owned firearms for close to 50 years and with the exception of shooting my little brother with the BB gun way back when , I have not yet had the opportunity to shoot anyone else so I can't comment of whether or not my 9 will do the job. If I ever do shoot someone, I'll be sure to post the results.
Maybe Sig220.45 will chime in. As retired FBI I'm sure he's shot lots of people over his career.
Oh jeeez! You let the cat out of the bag! I did it too... maybe we need to start a "little brother" thread
 
I can only add that I have overheard several conversations between the many LEOs who belong to my outdoor range club. What I have gathered is that the demise of the 40 and return to the 9 is a result of the Speer LE 124gr 9mm+P Gold Dot and similar offerings
 
NOT A PREPPER, OR END OF DAYS TYPE I SWEAR.

My 40 does all I could ask of it very well, as do ALL my other calibers. If they didn't, they would have moved on some time ago. I like to have a diversity of calibers, "just in case". Too MANY tools in the toolbox??? NOT IMO. More for us at a lower price. :)
 
Remembering 25 years ago when everybody was starting to buy the 40. My reaction, then and now, was how could everybody be so stupid all at the same time. Kind of like the stock market. The 9 mm was perfect then and better now with the new powders (if you need better). I knew the 40 would fade. Just didn't think it would take 25 years. Kind of like the 45 GAP. Ten years ago every agency in Georgia seemed to be going to the GAP. Now it's about an abandoned cartridge. The GAP really was better than the 9 mm too. If you can't get happy with what you have, just buy a 45 ACP and you will be good to go forever.
 
I eschew the .40 for one reason and one reason only. COST. As far as the 9 being less powerful-simple solution. Shoot twice.
I've owned firearms for close to 50 years and with the exception of shooting my little brother with the BB gun way back when , I have not yet had the opportunity to shoot anyone else so I can't comment of whether or not my 9 will do the job. If I ever do shoot someone, I'll be sure to post the results.
Maybe Sig220.45 will chime in. As retired FBI I'm sure he's shot lots of people over his career.

Haha, not hardly! But I am in the little brother BB gun club. Shot him with my "Spittin' Image of 1894"

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Way back in the early 1990s when the .40 first came out, I admit that I fell for the hype hook, line and sinker. "9mm capacity, .45 power!" :rolleyes: I bought a 4006 and soon discovered that I couldn't shoot it near as well as a 9mm or a .45acp. I spent two years experimenting with factory loads and just about every bullet and powder out there. Never did warm up to it.
Then when I decided to get rid of the gun, I found I couldn't hardly give it away. Finally managed to trade it off and lost my butt on the deal. :(
If you like the .40, that's fine with me. But I never had any use for the thing.

And while many praise the 9mm, I agree with Walnutred in that its really in the same class as a good .38 special. I do own some fine 9mm pistols and do believe they will get the job done. But I don't think its the end all, be all in self defense.

The fact is that I'm an old fashioned 1911 .45acp guy. A Colt Commander in that caliber is my preferred defensive handgun. Bigger holes are better! ;) But at the same time, I'm also a believer in shot placement and ease of carry. Thus I have been known to carry a .38 revolver, .380 or even a .25acp when circumstances called for it.

Ultimately, I all comes down to what you're comfortable with. Carry what you feel is best for you and don't worry about what anybody else thinks. ;)
 
I don't shoot 40 or 45 anymore much due to tired joints. Also you are taking ballistic math problems with a "single answer solution" (meaning A number, not a range of numbers) on paper and shooting it into a markedly diverse sea of humanity. I have examined a lot of bullets in Pathology over the years out West that were largely 9mm and full metal jacket at that! Shot placement is still the #1 thing. I have done autopsies on people killed with a .22LR. The differences on paper don't really show up much in people. Huge difference in bodies and mentality. Plus the math numbers are really very small in real life. There isn't a universal agreement among the "experts" anyway. So shoot what you do best.
 
Please let me know when 41 mags go on sale, my fav. Got my brother in the eye with a slingshot, luckily he still can use that eye. Mom wouldnt let us have BB guns, lost the slingshot after that as well.
 
Where in the heck are all these cheap 40s ?

It's mostly a regional thing. If your local Law Enforcement/State Police were among those who played follow-the-leader with the FBI, then you'll find a lot of police surplus/trade-in .40cal pistols, not to mention civilian-owned pistols by folks who played follow-the-leader with the police because apparently they're ignorant of cartridge conversion and thus opted to trade-in their .40cal pistols for 9mms rather than simply going online and buying a new barrel, recoil spring, and magazines in 9mm which would cost much less.

That said, you can also keep your eye on online retailers such as Bud's Gun Shop. Last year around this time they had a crazy amount of police surplus M&P40s with engraved slides, night sights, and 3 magazines for about $300, most of which were unissued and thus practically brand new.
 
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