FBI agent loses gun during dance back flip

[two-bit cowboy]

I'm sure those of you with "blue wings" flying near your screen name remember the phrase: "We're not a one-mistake Air Force, but...."

That was long before 9/11.

One of the troubling things in the newspaper account to me is this bit of faulty logic:

"We believe that this agreement strikes an appropriate balance of seeking justice for the victim and ensuring that this type of incident does not happen again [emphasis added]," district attorney Beth McCann said.

 

[Muss Muggins]

Why is that troubling? That district attorney couldn't be more correct. I've got $1,000 that says that Bishop, as an FBI agent, will never again lose his duty gun during a back flip at a bar, and then shoot somebody while picking up said duty pistol.

One of the troubling things in the newspaper account to me is this bit of faulty logic:

"We believe that this agreement strikes an appropriate balance of seeking justice for the victim and ensuring that this type of incident does not happen again [emphasis added]," district attorney Beth McCann said.

 

[bigwheelzip]

I'd say going outside and waiting for the cops was a prudent move.

Prudent: Acting with or showing care and thought for the future.

If it's Bishop's own future he cared about, yeah maybe it's prudent to wait outside, but it was only by the grace of God that the wound wasn't worse or maybe some emergency training Bishop got in four years in the Army or the FBI might have helped the injured man. But he didn't know that when he left the scene.

It may be textbook response at some agency, but we'll just have to disagree on how this one played out.

 

[bigwheelzip]

Nobody wants to fight a bunch of drunken associates of a just shot victim inside a loud, dark dance club . . .

He didn't know there was an adult male victim when he left, or any victim whatsoever. There might have been an infant sleeping in a back office that was struck.

 

[sigp220.45]

Prudent: Acting with or showing care and thought for the future.

If it's Bishop's own future he cared about, yeah maybe it's prudent to wait outside, but it was only by the grace of God that the wound wasn't worse or maybe some emergency training Bishop got in four years in the Army or the FBI might have helped the injured man. But he didn't know that when he left the scene.

It may be textbook response at some agency, but we'll just have to disagree on how this one played out.

Do you really think it would have been better for him to work his way through a bar full of drunks and say, step aside - I shot this guy and now I will render aid?

The shot guy had plenty of folks tending to him. Bishop didn't leave the scene - he waited outside for the cops and kept a bad situation from getting worse. If he had shot somebody else for trying to crack his skull with a beer mug, everyone would be saying "Why didn't he just wait outside for the cops?"

I'll just have to concede the "baby sleeping in the office" scenario noted above.

 

[bigwheelzip]

Do you really think it would have been better for him to work his way through a bar full of drunks and say, step aside - I shot this guy and now I will render aid?

Funny how the attendees are categorized like bikers at a gang clubhouse.
The folks in the video background are milktoast calm, and the poor victim in the video is a sweetheart that doesn't want anything bad to happen to the agent.
Yes, I do think anyone should see if aid needs to be rendered, if they make that mistake in that situation, especially a LEO.

 

[Muss Muggins]

That's just silly. There also could have been a bear, a member of ISIS, or a ladies bridge club. There wasn't. He went outside to await authorities.

He didn't know there was an adult male victim when he left, or any victim whatsoever. There might have been an infant sleeping in a back office that was struck.

 

[Walkingwolf]

I think any of us would get a free trip to the Crossbar Hotel.

I was curious, so I did a google search on police sentencing for crimes. Interesting results which I will not post, just not worth the bickering. Also concerning the 0.00 results that was not what was normal for me when testing people involved in fatal accidents. Even those that did not drink returned at least a 0.01 result, a doctor explained it to me. There is even a rare condition that can make a person drunk almost all the time without consuming alcohol. Starches, and sugars consumed mixed with trace amounts of yeast will trigger very small amounts of alcohol in the gut.

 

[Muss Muggins]

Funny how the attendees are categorized like bikers at a gang clubhouse.

Who said that?

Yes, I do think anyone should see if aid needs to be rendered, if they make that mistake in that situation, especially a LEO.

Multiple courts, including one just recently in the Parkland incident, have ruled that on duty LEO's have no duty to protect any specific citizen. Off duty LEO's likely have a lesser obligation. Just because you think it, doesn't make it required . . .

 

[Faulkner]

Multiple courts, including one just recently in the Parkland incident, have ruled that on duty LEO's have no duty to protect any specific citizen. Off duty LEO's likely have a lesser obligation. Just because you think it, doesn't make it required . . .

Too many folks get their education about law enforcement by what Hollywood wants you to think rather than how it really is. No telling how many times I've heard "I know my rights, I know my rights" from someone I'm taking to jail when they should be exercising the right to remain silent.

 

[Texas Star]

With that conviction can he even own a gun again? Buy one?

 

[sigp220.45]

With that conviction can he even own a gun again? Buy one?

Its a misdemeanor and not domestic violence related, so he should still be gun-worthy.

 

[Watchdog]

He didn't know there was an adult male victim when he left, or any victim whatsoever. There might have been an infant sleeping in a back office that was struck.

And there could've been a drunk head down on a table who got shot and no one even knew it cause they thought he was just another drunk. He could've died and laid there until closing time.

Sorry, but you're reaching. Just trying too hard to make whatever point it is you're trying to make here.

 

[Muss Muggins]

With that conviction can he even own a gun again? Buy one?

Yup. " . . . shall not be infringed."

 

[paplinker]

And there could've been a drunk head down on a table who got shot and no one even knew it cause they thought he was just another drunk. He could've died and laid there until closing time.

Sorry, but you're reaching. Just trying too hard to make whatever point it is you're trying to make here.

I think the point was that at no time during this whole fiasco did the the agent do anything that wasn't in his personal best interests.

No thought toward anyone or anything else that may have been going on in that room.

 

[Watchdog]

I wonder what's left to say about this. If you've never seen an Internet lynching, look no further than the screen right in front of you.

The guy's been raked over the coals and roasted so much, you'd have to wear your best barbeque gun to even get close to him.

 

[Muss Muggins]

Not sure how acting in your own best interest doesn't make you a person of character. . . ?

I think the point was that at no time during this whole fiasco did the the agent do anything that wasn't in his personal best interests.

No thought toward anyone or anything else that may have been going on in that room.

It also shows that just because Military and LEO are in a resume it doesn't necessarily make them a person of character.

 

[paplinker]

Not sure how acting in your own best interest doesn't make you a person of character. . . ?

I put what he did as the same as causing a car accident and not seeing if the other person was OK. Your best interests is to worry about your own health but we all know its not right to not check on the other car.

 

[Muss Muggins]

Totally not the same. Most states have laws about stopping after a traffic accident . . .

I put what he did as the same as causing a car accident and not seeing if the other person was OK. Your best interests is to worry about your own health but we all know its not right to not check on the other car.

 

[paplinker]

Totally not the same. Most states have laws about stopping after a traffic accident . . .

But if I was ever was in either scenario I would check the car because its whats right, not because it was the law. I hope most all of us have a moral compass. I feel the person in this story may not.