2nd Amendment Sanctuaries

[Okie21]

Please get on board. Gun Owners of America is pushing in every county in every state in the US to declare Second Amendment Sanctuary Ordinances (SASO's). There is an online petition you can sign. There are also petitions being circulated by GOA members. We're hitting up gun shops and clubs here in PA to get as many signatures as we can. Virginia should be a wake up call to the rest of us.
PA: Support Second Amendment Sanctuaries | Gun Owners of America

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[italiansport]

The whole State of Arizona is a 2nd Amendment sanctuary!!
Jim

 

[dockmurgw]

"Virginia should be a wake up call to the rest of us."

With all due respect, there have been a lot of wake up calls in a lot of different places over the years. What Virginia is facing now pales in comparison to what other state gun owners have been enduring for years. Why are members from those states met with "sure glad I left there", or my favorite "move to a free state", and Virginia is treated like the world has come to an end? I don't know the answer...wish I did. I'm sure there are a lot of gun owners wishing they mattered as much as Virginia seems to matter.

 

[Okie21]

"Virginia should be a wake up call to the rest of us."

With all due respect, there have been a lot of wake up calls in a lot of different places over the years. What Virginia is facing now pales in comparison to what other state gun owners have been enduring for years. Why are members from those states met with "sure glad I left there", or my favorite "move to a free state", and Virginia is treated like the world has come to an end? I don't know the answer...wish I did. I'm sure there are a lot of gun owners wishing they mattered as much as Virginia seems to matter.

I can't argue with that statement. All I can say is, I've been pretty quiet about my 2A support. But I'm involved now with this SASO movement. I hope more people like me will come out of hiding and voice their opinion.

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[sigp220.45]

More power to them, but its seems like all this effort would be better spent on something other than a symbolic gesture. Do you really think the feds, the state police, and any city that feels like it will honor this? Do you think if a Sheriff’s Deputy pulls over a gangbanger and there’s a sawed off shotgun in the car he won’t arrest him? Will gun stores in sanctuary counties say - finally, no more of those pesky background checks, I can chuck all these 4473s?

What is it sanctuary FROM?

Virginians should have beaten this at the ballot box. Now the recourse is to beat it in court. Save the money and time and effort for that.

 

[Okie21]

More power to them, but its seems like all this effort would be better spent on something other than a symbolic gesture. Do you really think the feds, the state police, and any city that feels like it will honor this? Do you think if a Sheriff’s Deputy pulls over a gangbanger and there’s a sawed off shotgun in the car he won’t arrest him? Will gun stores in sanctuary counties say - finally, no more of those pesky background checks, I can chuck all these 4473s?



What is it sanctuary FROM?



Virginians should have beaten this at the ballot box. Now the recourse is to beat it in court. Save the money and time and effort for that.

Well I've been silent for a long time. So I'm all in.

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[schutzen-jager]

even New Jersey now has two towns - but they still can not conflict with state or federal law -

 

[fordson]

The SASO is a Protest Movement. Our community is sending a message. And it’s about time too. We’ve talked long and often about the lack of unity, organization and leadership in our community. How often have we said “If only we were united, organized and had national leadership, we’d get our point across and show the “opposition” just how politically powerful we are” - or words to that effect. Well, the 2A Sanctuary Movement is a symbolic protest that is showing unity, organization, and leadership at a local level. It probably won’t change a thing in a state legislature, if they are committed to a course of action. However, it will tell them that a lot of folks aren’t happy about their proposals. And if a lot more people voted, the situation might be different. Well, we are where we are so a lot of people are waking up - good. The next course of action are the courts, but it takes effort, money and time to get there. A lot of damage can be done to gun rights and ownership in the Time it takes to work it thru the court system.

 

[BC38]

More power to them, but its seems like all this effort would be better spent on something other than a symbolic gesture. Do you really think the feds, the state police, and any city that feels like it will honor this? Do you think if a Sheriff’s Deputy pulls over a gangbanger and there’s a sawed off shotgun in the car he won’t arrest him? Will gun stores in sanctuary counties say - finally, no more of those pesky background checks, I can chuck all these 4473s?

What is it sanctuary FROM?

Virginians should have beaten this at the ballot box. Now the recourse is to beat it in court. Save the money and time and effort for that.

Nobody anywhere ever said they were going to ignore gangbangers with sawed off shotguns (or any other weapons for that matter).

This is about not enforcing overbearing, unconstitutional, anti-2nd Amendment laws against otherwise law-abiding citizens.

Personally I applaud every sheriff in every county across the nation who takes that pledge. If cities and counties can offer "sanctuary" to illegal aliens, and protect them from ICE, then our local sheriffs can likewise offer sanctuary to our citizens and their 2nd Amendment rights.

 

[sigp220.45]

Nobody anywhere ever said they were going to ignore gangbangers with sawed off shotguns (or any other weapons for that matter).

So its only sanctuary from some gun control laws, and only applies to some people? A gangbanger with no warrants doesn't count?

I guess since it is purely symbolic it really doesn't matter. It is definitely easier than electing good candidates and fighting bad laws. Its a Second Amendment participation trophy!

Do you really think an elected Sheriff is going to protect you from a state cop or an ATF agent or a city officer or an investigator from the State's Attorney's Office?

 

[Okie21]

So its only sanctuary from some gun control laws, and only applies to some people? A gangbanger with no warrants doesn't count?

I guess since it is purely symbolic it really doesn't matter. It is definitely easier than electing good candidates and fighting bad laws. Its a Second Amendment participation trophy!

Do you really think an elected Sheriff is going to protect you from a state cop or an ATF agent or a city officer or an investigator from the State's Attorney's Office?

Do what you want. No one's forcing you.

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[ameridaddy]

If only the voter turnout here were better last Nov, we might not be in this position. I was appalled to hear only about 30% of Virginia Repubs turned out for an election that now looms like the Sword of Damocles over our heads.
We can only hope that some Dem legislators see their reelection possibilities dwindling in the face of the awakened tiger and temper their enthusiasm for this gun grab.
Or some serendipity appears in the form of a deep pocket willing to drive the issue all the way to SCOTUS on the basis of the phrase "commonly owned firearms" which appeared, I think, in Heller.


Over the past month, the Virginia Citizens Defense League has organized and coordinated the huge turnouts seen at county, city and town legislative meetings to protest Governor Blackface’s prefiled unconstitutional gun ban/gun grab/registration gun laws planned for the upcoming Virginia Legislature’s Jan 2020 session. The results so far are that 86 of 95 counties, 11 of 38 cities and 16 towns have declared themselves 2nd Amendment sanctuaries. That might be only symbolic, but it shouts loud that there are more energized voters awake out there than there were this past November.
Rolling with the flow, VCDL have now organized contact networks, buses to bring people from all over the state to a Lobby Day on the lawn of the Virginia Capitol in Richmond on 20 Jan 2020 while the legislature is in session.
Wonderful!

I’m going to the 20 Jan event. The people there on 20 Jan will be grassroots Virginia voters.

 

[ladder13]

So who is mounting any legal challenge and who is funding that effort?

 

[ameridaddy]

So who is mounting any legal challenge and who is funding that effort?

I'm no lawyer, but I think someone has to be hurt by the law and its consequences before having standing to file a suit. The law is not even enacted yet.
I would hope the NRA would support such an effort. So far, it seems to me SCOTUS has somewhat nibbled around the edges of 2A law issues, issuing narrowly construed decision rather than coming right out and saying any restriction on commonly owned firearms, accessories, magazines, registration, licensing, special taxing on guns and ammo, etc. is just what it is; an infringement on a basic right.

 

[BC38]

So its only sanctuary from some gun control laws, and only applies to some people? A gangbanger with no warrants doesn't count?

I guess since it is purely symbolic it really doesn't matter. It is definitely easier than electing good candidates and fighting bad laws. Its a Second Amendment participation trophy!

Do you really think an elected Sheriff is going to protect you from a state cop or an ATF agent or a city officer or an investigator from the State's Attorney's Office?

Nope. They aren't vowing to do that either. They are only saying THEY are not going to enforce unconstitutional laws against otherwise law abiding citizens. To the best of my knowledge none of them have stated that they would interfere with actions by other agencies. However, they CAN refuse to call in the feds or the state boys or whoever, and they can refuse to cooperate or help them too - just like the cops in the sanctuary cities do for illegals.

"Gangbangers" by definition are not otherwise law abiding citizens. You catch a 14 year old with a gun you take it away from them. You catch anyone with a stolen gun, you do the same thing. The badge next to your name tells me you obviously know that the vast majority of guns in the hands of criminals are stolen, right?

You seem to have a problem wrapping your head around what this is about. This IS a form of "fighting bad laws" - by refusing to enforce them. Much like a jury nullification.

Until the bad laws can be challenged and overturned in court, refusing to enforce them is about the only action an ELECTED sheriff can take to oppose them and hold true to his oath to the Constitution.

With enough of them doing it - in VA I think they have something like 95% participation from the counties - what are the legislators who rammed these laws through going to do?

Are they going to go out and participate in enforcement actions themselves? Call out the National Guard - who have already said they wouldn't violate their oath to the Constitution either? Maybe they can use the LEOs from the big cities whose populations rammed this down everyone elses throats and scatter them across the state to try and enforce them?

Even the State Police aren't going to have enough manpower to do the enforcement. Basically if enough LEOs refuse to enforce these laws then it is the laws themselves that become "symbolic".

 

[stansdds]

If only the voter turnout here were better last Nov, we might not be in this position. I was appalled to hear only about 30% of Virginia Repubs turned out for an election that now looms like the Sword of Damocles over our heads.

You said it all right there.

 

[Univibe]

The problem with all these "sanctuaries" is where does it stop? We have sanctuaries for illegal aliens. Now we have them for gun owners.

What's next? Sanctuaries for late term abortions? Sanctuaries for Sharia law? Sanctuaries for pedophiles?

Once you open the door, you can have a flood.

 

[BC38]

The problem with all these "sanctuaries" is where does it stop? We have sanctuaries for illegal aliens. Now we have them for gun owners.

What's next? Sanctuaries for late term abortions? Sanctuaries for Sharia law? Sanctuaries for pedophiles?

Once you open the door, you can have a flood.

Good point. However, WE didn't open that door, and if the other side is going to be allowed to do it to promote their issues, then what is good for the goose is good for the gander. Gotta' fight fire with fire sometimes, or else you just get burned.

 

[bovw]

Good point. However, WE didn't open that door, and if the other side is going to be allowed to do it to promote their issues, then what is good for the goose is good for the gander. Gotta' fight fire with fire sometimes, or else you just get burned.

Add to that, this governor vetoed a bill earlier this year outlawing sanctuary localities. Now he has a problem with them.


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[sar4937]

it really should have never been allowed to get to this point,(duh). If it is only a sanctuary situation, higher powers will come for you. This needs to be a grassroots revolt. Virginia got blindsided, and it could happen to the other 45, or so.