Will we ever learn about this Virus !?

[Beemerguy53]

^^^^Yes. This is why the EU has 3000 new cases a day and we have 29,000 in roughly the same size population with roughly the same amount of testing. They're getting good results and we're not; how they've done that we could as well - it is exactly the same virus in exactly the same mammal.

I'm in a German-American Firefighters Association. I visit Germany about once a year, and the culture is very different there. People are much more respectful of other people, much more aware of the "we" than the "I".

Just one example: There is no litter -- none -- along German roadways, and almost none in most cities. (I was surprised last September, in Stuttgart, when I noticed cigarette butts in the street at a bus stop near the Porsche factory. I remember thinking it was probably non-German workers at the plant who were responsible for that, because I'd never seen it before.)

When this coronavirus first hit here, I told a German fire service brother that we Americans were screwed. Why? Because we have this national disdain for authority, and this idea that "they can't tell me what to do".

It's the reason we can't get this under control. It's the reason the European Union is considering barring Americans from entering Europe. It's the reason why we have more than 25% of all the world's fatalities.

And yet, we argue...and deny reality...and I will never understand that...

 

[biku324]

Indeed.^^^^

 

[Beemerguy53]

...a 'few more weeks?'

Fauci has lost all credibility.

Be safe...be well.

The phrase "a few more weeks" isn't in the video clip I linked to. Respectfully...what are you referring to?

And...I am not a doctor (and I don't play one on television )...and assuming you are not a doctor either...

Who has 'credibility' on this if Fauci doesn't? Who gives you information on this you can trust?

 

[UncleEd]

...in Fauci.

Two more weeks was his sermon.. now, a few more weeks.



Be safe...be well.

Oh, yes, if only he and other epidemiologists
could wrap a pandemic in a nice specified time
and make others feel better.

But one of his main problems is the stupidity
of Americans who think they've suffered just
enough and now it's time to resume their
lives as they knew it back in December.

The U.S. virus rate is far outpacing other places
such as the EU, Canada, Australia which also have
a Western culture. But they exhibit a
maturity and leadership that is lacking here.

 

[Beemerguy53]

...I'm tired of people saying they wear a mask to protect those around them. I can take care of myself. What I do fear is someone who is infected not wearing a mask for the deliberate intention of infecting others...

I don't fear people trying to infect me deliberately, since I think there's very few folks who would try to do that.

I fear people who won't wear a mask because they want to make a point, and who then infect others accidentally. And then those others infect others, who infect others, and so on...

This isn't spreading because people are deliberately infecting others; it's spreading because people see no obligation to think of anyone except themselves.

 

[ladder13]

WGAC about Europe anyway?

 

[Beemerguy53]

WGAC about Europe anyway?

I do.

They are our trading partners and strategic allies. We depend on them at least as much as they depend on us, and we damn well better "GAC" about them.

We have more ties to Europe than we can shake a stick at...military bases...corporate offices...goods we buy from them...goods we sell to them...NATO...etc., etc., etc.

No man is an island...and no nation is an island (practically speaking), especially now.

While your attitude was popular in the 1930s, that ended with World War II...and we've been closely tied to Europe ever since. You might not like that, but it is what it is.

 

[The Big D]

You, sir, are a poster with whom I sometimes disagree...

...yet I always consider your posts. And always respect your opinions.

About a week ago Fauci said something to the effect we'll all be dead 'in a few weeks.' Yes, I exaggerate just a bit but there were references to that very post a week or so ago herein.

As we 'speak' I am among friends from all around the country...literally. Without exception, they agree Fauci is absent of any credibility whatsoever. That is based on his early observations, his mid-stream observations, and his latest. No one thinks he is of ill intent. But he is the ultimate DOOMER. Never has he offered a positive word to suggest that all of us won't die right now. He has never uttered a word of hope. EVER. Worse, he is adamant that there will be a second wave of the beervirus. He guarantees that repeatedly.

Maybe he should get his bad self back in his lab/office doing something rather than pontificate in front of the cameras.

Be safe...be well.

The phrase "a few more weeks" isn't in the video clip I linked to. Respectfully...what are you referring to?

And...I am not a doctor (and I don't play one on television )...and assuming you are not a doctor either...

Who has 'credibility' on this if Fauci doesn't? Who gives you information on this you can trust?

 

[ladder13]

I do.

They are our trading partners and strategic allies. We depend on them at least as much as they depend on us, and we damn well better "GAC" about them.

We have more ties to Europe than we can shake a stick at...military bases...corporate offices...goods we buy from them...goods we sell to them...NATO...etc., etc., etc.

No man is an island...and no nation is an island (practically speaking), especially now.

While your attitude was popular in the 1930s, that ended with World War II...and we've been closely tied to Europe ever since. You might not like that, but it is what it is.

Well good for you.

 

[biku324]

Ford, GM, Chysler, Microsoft, Google, Hilton, Marriot, Southland, McDonald's .... and a few thousand other American companies all care about Europe. The EU is a major trading partner; they bled with us in Afghanistan and still do. I care.
• Soldiers killed in action in Afghanistan 2001-2019 | Statista

 

[sigp220.45]

I'm in a German-American Firefighters Association. I visit Germany about once a year, and the culture is very different there. People are much more respectful of other people, much more aware of the "we" than the "I".

Just one example: There is no litter -- none -- along German roadways, and almost none in most cities. (I was surprised last September, in Stuttgart, when I noticed cigarette butts in the street at a bus stop near the Porsche factory. I remember thinking it was probably non-German workers at the plant who were responsible for that, because I'd never seen it before.)

When this coronavirus first hit here, I told a German fire service brother that we Americans were screwed. Why? Because we have this national disdain for authority, and this idea that "they can't tell me what to do".

It's the reason we can't get this under control. It's the reason the European Union is considering barring Americans from entering Europe. It's the reason why we have more than 25% of all the world's fatalities.

And yet, we argue...and deny reality...and I will never understand that...

Germans blindly following authority? What could go wrong?

 

[biku324]

Americans blindly resisting information; what could go wrong? Let's see....125k dead today and spiking. The 'stupid' approach didn't work here just like it didn't in Sweden.

 

[Beemerguy53]

Ford, GM, Chysler, Microsoft, Google, Hilton, Marriot, Southland, McDonald's .... and a few thousand other American companies all care about Europe. The EU is a major trading partner; they bled with us in Afghanistan and still do. I care.
• Soldiers killed in action in Afghanistan 2001-2019 | Statista

Thanks for pointing out that casualty list from our current war...it was remiss of me not to mention that.

We invoked the self-defense clause of our NATO pact after the 9/11 attacks, and if memory serves, we are the only member nation ever to do that. Our European allies responded dutifully, despite the opposition of many of their citizens, and a good number of them have been killed in action fighting alongside our troops. I seem to recall that early in this Afghan war, a German general was killed there.

(There is a sad side story here: Germans are very sensitive about the use of their military, as you can imagine. Thus, when a German soldier is KIA, he is simply brought home and buried in his town's cemetery. There is no military ceremony, no honor guard, no nothing.

One of my closest friends is a firefighter/paramedic in a small town in the Rhineland. He visits the USA annually, and I have taken him to Arlington several times. He is very moved by the respect we have for our military, and the way we honor them when they make the ultimate sacrifice.)

 

[Beemerguy53]

Americans blindly resisting information; what could go wrong? Let's see....125k dead today and spiking. The stupid approach didn't work here just like it didn't in Sweden.

It's not just that we have 125,000 dead; it's that that number represents about 25% of all the COVID deaths in the entire world. That ought to be a wake-up call to the deniers...but for some reason, it isn't.

 

[Beemerguy53]

Germans blindly following authority? What could go wrong?

I tease my German friends all the time about their strict obedience to authority. You ought to see how they drive! If the speed limit drops from, say, 130 to 100 kilometers per hour (80 to 62 mph) they hit the brakes to slow down. I have seen a group of pedestrians on a street corner, in a heavy snowstorm, with not a single car in sight, waiting for the sign to change from "Don't Walk" to "Walk". (And yes, I've waited right along with them. When in Rome...) It is illegal to be disrespectful to a government official, and you can be fined for that. I could go on and on...

I've had a lifelong interest in World War II and the Holocaust, and yes, they are well aware of how their own culture worked against them...just as our own culture of contempt for authority is working against us now.

 

[Beemerguy53]

...yet I always consider your posts. And always respect your opinions.

About a week ago Fauci said something to the effect we'll all be dead 'in a few weeks.' Yes, I exaggerate just a bit but there were references to that very post a week or so ago herein.

As we 'speak' I am among friends from all around the country...literally. Without exception, they agree Fauci is absent of any credibility whatsoever. That is based on his early observations, his mid-stream observations, and his latest. No one thinks he is of ill intent. But he is the ultimate DOOMER. Never has he offered a positive word to suggest that all of us won't die right now. He has never uttered a word of hope. EVER. Worse, he is adamant that there will be a second wave of the beervirus. He guarantees that repeatedly.

Maybe he should get his bad self back in his lab/office doing something rather than pontificate in front of the cameras.

Be safe...be well.

I truly appreciate your kind words, sir...thank you. I am an opinionated, argumentative so-and-so...but I try to be respectful and I avoid insulting people.

As someone who is in several risk categories, I've been following this whole situation with great interest. I've never heard Fauci say anything I considered extreme or overly alarmist at the time he said it. He's a doctor, and he's been trying to get 325,000,000 of his 'patients' to understand how serious this is.

The knowledge base is evolving on this, you know. Back in mid-February, when our country was fully in denial and we were doing nothing, there was a British study that projected more than 2,000,000 deaths here if we didn't act quickly. The medical community's warnings were a lot more dire then than they are now that many places have taken measures to test people and limit the spread of this.

(When I was diagnosed with cancer in 1991, my doctor's initial prognosis was far different than it was six months later, after my third operation, when things were looking pretty good.)

Fauci has been trying to get people to understand how serious this is, and given the fact that he's had major media personalities and others pooh-poohing his work; telling people we had it under control when we didn't; promising tests when they weren't available; claiming cases were going down when they were going up...it's a wonder the man's head didn't explode! I can understand full well why he's been adamant.

If his worst projections haven't panned out (and again, I haven't heard that) does that invalidate his advice? With 125,000 Americans dead, we shouldn't do what he recommends? I'm sorry, but I don't follow your and your friends' logic on that one.

I think when the history of this pandemic is written, Anthony Fauci will be seen as a true hero.

You be well and safe too...

 

[PatriotX]

It's sad that so many like-minded folks -we're here for our love of S&Ws, after all- have fallen into the trap of tribalism...the Us v. Them.

There are things I believed at the onset of this pandemic that were later proven wrong, this virus is tricky. After literally 2500 pages of printed material, studies, and discussions over the last 3 months, what I now 'know' has evolved.

Discounting even the most circumspect data is foolish, if you can divine the intent. A perfect example of this is the 'official' numbers coming from China.


I would posit that we can disagree about degrees here, but discussion about facts rather than the politicization of said facts has the only chance of maintaining decorum.

 

[biku324]

Frankly, I am a Tri-lateralist vegan Leninist quadrasexual Zoroastrian actively promoting the interests of 'them' and 'they' in their century-long quest for world domination. But I do love N-frame Smiths.

 

[coltle6920]

Show me the numbers. All I hear is a spike in cases/deaths.

I see confirmed cases at 2510156 then +46613 (new cases?)
Deaths show 126854 then +669 (assumed new deaths?)

What percentage of the total cases and deaths are the new cases and deaths? I don't come up with any figure even close to 1% so where is the spike?

 

[hsguy]

Perhaps this will help. Cases in the U.S. | CDC or perhaps this: Bloomberg - Are you a robot? Or perhaps this, not a spike due to increased testing as been suggested but actual patients fighting to survive. Record spikes in U.S. coronavirus cases push up hospitalization rates in 16 states