Will we ever learn about this Virus !?

[Absalom]

It is unfortunate that a certain part of our population looks at foreign countries only to feel either threatened or superior.

But you can actual learn stuff. Even if it might not be directly applicable here.

And Europe, just like the US, is indeed a continent. The picture is complex. You can come up with all kinds of numbers comparisons. Sweden is doing worse than the US as a whole. But Oregon is doing better than Germany overall.

And policies and behaviors vary. Here is a blurb from the British Telegraph yesterday.

[ame]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_O1vDN4PBQE[/ame]

 

[ladder13]

Reading is fundamental.

 

[Onomea]

What I was getting at, with my comment of not seeing the point in comparing the US to other countries, is that while we are doing better than some countries and worse than others, it does not change the status of the virus in our country to know this.

We are, collectively, responsible for our leadership, our behavior, and, accordingly, our country's Covid-19 destiny.

(Absalom's video clip, above, makes the same point.)

 

[steelslaver]

Reading is fundamental.

Without comprehension reading is worthless.

 

[Bullseye 2620]

Even Mitch . . .

"Until we find a vaccine, these are really important," McConnell said Friday while holding up a blue mask, according to CNN affiliate WKYT. "This is not as complicated as a ventilator, and this is a way to indicate that you want to protect others."

McConnell made the comments while visiting a hospital in Morehead, Kentucky, to talk about the money provided to rural healthcare systems from the CARES Act, the massive coronavirus stimulus package that was enacted two months ago.

"I see various events on television in which people are clearly not wearing masks, not taking it seriously and not doing others a favor," McConnell also said, according to the Louisville Courier-Journal. "We need to get past that in order to protect not only ourselves but our friends and colleagues and others until we get to a vaccine."

 

[The Big D]

And so is math...

...yet the doomers intentionally ignore the FACT there is a less than 1% percent chance of dying from the beervirus even if you have it. Period. FACT!

And that does not account for the vastly inflated number of deaths attributed to the sweet and sour sicken.

Seems no one dies from Alzheimer's effects, heart disease, kidney disease, etc. nowadays.

Be safe...be well.

Reading is fundamental.

 

[Doug M.]

Comparing one state to another is also flawed. Social conditions differ. Congestion levels differ.

If one looks at NY, NYC is a lot different from rural upstate (most people don't know that there are only six real urban areas in NY: NYC; Buffalo area; Rochester area; Syracuse/Oneida/Utica/Rome; Albany; Binghamton). The rest of the state is mostly tress, cows, and vineyards. When NYC is heavily dependent on mass transit - even when down to just "essential workers", the subways and busses are/were crowded. Private vehicle transportation is not as common as it is in other places, and not just driving in NYC (and north Jersey) sucks. Parking and storage are awful.

There are large parts of the western US where the population density is very low. Back out Seattle/Tacoma/Olympia (and I wish we could) and Washington's population is pretty small for a state of the size. That heavily impacts transmission. There are counties in this state (mine might be one, not sure) where there are a lot more cows than people - several times more.

Note that the "Spanish Flu" (a misnomer, but a common reference) of a century ago ran for well over a year. We are still in the early parts of this. The learning curve has been and still is very steep - it is probably still true that we don't know what we don't know about the symptoms, long term aftermath, transmission, etc., and likely won't for YEARS.

Are the pronouncements from "experts" shifting? Sure. What is known or at least strongly suspected today differs a LOT from what was known or suspected on January 1. Frankly, all travel to and from China (and probably all of Asia) should have prohibited in November. I can imagine the screaming then, but with what we have learned since then, who really wants to argue seriously that I am wrong? No one enjoys this. It's been a pain in my butt since the orders started; while there has not been a major change in my life because my wife and I rarely socialize, there are a few things I value that are much harder to do or impossible. Oh well.

There will be a variety of long term consequences. The economic damage was bound to happen either way - due to shutdowns by order, or shutdown because the workers are not available due to their health.

Death stats: if death is hastened by the COVID's impact on underlying conditions, that's a COVID death. Since so few people pay attention to death stats anyway, I doubt very many can do a decent comparison. One would have to do a LOT of longitudinal research and comparison to get a decent idea of the death rate now versus a year ago, versus a decade ago.

 

[UncleEd]

...yet the doomers intentionally ignore the FACT there is a less than 1% percent chance of dying from the beervirus even if you have it. Period. FACT!

And that does not account for the vastly inflated number of deaths attributed to the sweet and sour sicken.

Seems no one dies from Alzheimer's effects, heart disease, kidney disease, etc. nowadays.

Be safe...be well.

The whole world of nations is crazy. The Big
D is sane.

I rest easy in that knowledge.

 

[ladder13]

...yet the doomers intentionally ignore the FACT there is a less than 1% percent chance of dying from the beervirus even if you have it. Period. FACT!

And that does not account for the vastly inflated number of deaths attributed to the sweet and sour sicken.

Seems no one dies from Alzheimer's effects, heart disease, kidney disease, etc. nowadays.

Be safe...be well.

You got one on your list now, I have a dozen and growing

 

[steelslaver]

You can blather on and on about how deaths from car wrecks, gun shots or anything else were listed as virus deaths. But, the flat fact is that the number of deaths in the US soared far above what was normal pre virus.

If you can read and comprehend try this. Written in late April.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/inve...covid-19-death-toll-undercounted/?arc404=true

Or this Times article

120,000 Missing Deaths: Tracking the True Toll of the Coronavirus Outbreak - The New York Times

Basically, between March 15th and May 16th of 2020 the US experienced a23% increase over expected deaths. that was 94,700 more deaths that expected for that time period and only 76,101 were contributed to the virus. That still leaves another 18,600 MORE deaths than normally expected for that period.

Kinda wrecks havoc the Virus death count is over blown because with the every death is being blamed on it theory.

It is correct that you can torture numbers into confessing all kinds of things. but, the basic math is simple.

A normal year between March 15 and May 16th has about 90,000 less deaths than we did this year. Don't matter what number you put in which columns. Heart attack, cancer, suffocation, stoke car wreck, virus, flu. The total is what tells the true story and this years total is way way high

 

[PatriotX]

...yet the doomers intentionally ignore the FACT there is a less than 1% percent chance of dying from the beervirus even if you have it. Period. FACT!...

That is factually incorrect, according to reputable published sources.

Worldometers reports about a 5% CFR overall, and 8% among resolved cases.

 

[PatriotX]

There was a walkoff of several ICU nurses locally last night.

ICU is full, ED full. We are not a major metro area, this is a small blue-collar town.

Please be rational and reasonable about this, folks - time to leave the macho reverse-snobbism (or whatever it is) out of things.


Please.

 

[dockmurgw]

I do find a local phenomena interesting. We have a lot of weird people around here...hippie transplants, people that hug and pray to trees, there's even a group of frustrated old ladies near here that meet out in the woods and chant...don't even want to know what else they do. These people fully embrace climate fanaticism, they think were all dead in 5 years anyway, and think the WORLD IS SERIOUSLY OVERPOPULATED. So doesn't it stand to reason that these people would embrace the arrival of this virus and consider it the answer to their depopulation dream? Not hardly, these are the people flooding police dispatch centers with calls reporting neighbors and business's for breaking mask and social isolation rules. Amazing how these people act when faced with mortality.

 

[venomballistics]

That is factually incorrect, according to reputable published sources.

Worldometers reports about a 5% CFR overall, and 8% among resolved cases.

given the time frame endured, 8% is a probability in the global scope.
this is variable as we break it down nationally and regionally, but global impact, it's probably our best guess.

 

[venomballistics]

I do find a local phenomena interesting. We have a lot of weird people around here...hippie transplants, people that hug and pray to trees, there's even a group of frustrated old ladies near here that meet out in the woods and chant...don't even want to know what else they do. These people fully embrace climate fanaticism, they think were all dead in 5 years anyway, and think the WORLD IS SERIOUSLY OVERPOPULATED. So doesn't it stand to reason that these people would embrace the arrival of this virus and consider it the answer to their depopulation dream? Not hardly, these are the people flooding police dispatch centers with calls reporting neighbors and business's for breaking mask and social isolation rules. Amazing how these people act when faced with mortality.

depends on whose mortality.

 

[Tom S.]

WARNING!

Continued detours into political discussions WHICH ARE NOT ALLOWED will get this thread closed!

 

[biku324]

NM just cancelled both the Balloon Fiesta and the State Fair. These are September/October events.

 

[Rustyt1953]

A musical interlude brought to you by my favorite a cappella group:

[ame]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxanH9ejrH0[/ame]

 

[Absalom]

A musical interlude brought to you by my favorite a cappella group:

And there you go again, ruining all the serious belly-aching with entertainment.

But since you posted the single-guy ballad, here is the one popular with families stuck at home with children:

[ame]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ygdB-ZE0daY[/ame]

 

[PatriotX]

A non-insignifiant number of ICC nurses and cleaning staff have now quit locally, due to conditions and lack of PPE. These are added to the ED and ICU numbers from yesterday.


I drove past a local party tonight with over a hundred guests in the side field. People were dancing and partying like this whole thing was behind us. Not a single mask visible on anyone.


These two events were 5 miles apart, less as the crow flies. It may be sub-optimal to require hospital care here soon.